<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Startup Riders]]></title><description><![CDATA[How top 1% startups grow.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H3hP!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F50a5c45e-6af2-42a8-969e-50746c2d3804_600x600.png</url><title>Startup Riders</title><link>https://www.startupriders.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 00:25:35 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.startupriders.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Startup Riders]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[startupriders@gmail.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[startupriders@gmail.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[startupriders@gmail.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[startupriders@gmail.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Supabase: $1M to $170M ARR in 5 years]]></title><description><![CDATA[The 9 growth levers behind today's backend of AI]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/supabase-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/supabase-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2026 14:41:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GgW3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F13e3ae57-0f7f-47de-a402-9533113f6698_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>&#128075; I&#8217;m </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a><span>. I study </span><strong><span>how top 1% startups grow.</span></strong></p><p>In case you missed it:</p><ul><li><p>&#128141; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/oura-growth-playbook">Oura: $0 to $1B Revenue in 10 Years</a></p></li><li><p><strong>&#9883;&#65039; </strong><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/sierra-growth-playbook">Sierra: $0 to $165M ARR in 26 months</a></p></li><li><p><strong>&#128179; </strong><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/ramp-growth-playbook">Ramp: $0 &#8594; $1B+ Revenue in 6 Years</a></p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.startupriders.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2a854efe-2985-49dd-aff0-01af7c2a06de_1600x900.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Database startup Supabase raises $500 million $10.5 billion valuation&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Database startup Supabase raises $500 million $10.5 billion valuation" title="Database startup Supabase raises $500 million $10.5 billion valuation" 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Europe&#8217;s been pretty flat, but luckily managed to catch a few waves up at Scotland&#8217;s finest wave-pool:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/IvanLandabaso/status/2080630064975130734?s=20&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;pocket &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;IvanLandabaso&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ivan Landabaso&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1963613131340394496/BhS_sqD6_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-24T12:23:58.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HN_iAryX0AACFO1.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/4yazdfuWYl&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:1,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:1,&quot;like_count&quot;:7,&quot;impression_count&quot;:810,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>We&#8217;re coming back with a deep-dive on the growth behind <strong><a href="https://supabase.com/">Supabase</a></strong>, which recently raised a $<a href="https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-series-f">500M round at a $10B valuation</a>, 6 years after their start:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WIKV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31b4ed40-6a22-4d42-9f71-de54e2d66b00_1468x900.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WIKV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31b4ed40-6a22-4d42-9f71-de54e2d66b00_1468x900.png 424w, 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They provide all of that <strong>&#8220;out-of-the-box&#8221;.</strong> If you&#8217;ve ever played around on <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">Lovable</a> chances you used Supabase.</p><p>Their growth story is especially interesting to me because its a great example of how a small startup displaces a big player in the space (<strong>Google Firebase</strong>).</p><h4><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn in this edition</strong></h4><ul><li><p>The 0 to 1 story (from New Zealand to the world)</p></li><li><p>How they replicated YC conditions internally (&#8220;internal accelerator&#8221;)</p></li><li><p>How they used memes + community as a growth lever</p></li><li><p>What their salespeople get paid on (something different)</p></li><li><p>How the rivals &#8220;built to replace them&#8221; end up running on Supabase</p></li><li><p>Why they &#8220;obsess&#8221; over first database created as a key growth metric</p></li></ul><p>And other growth mechanics, lets dive in.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em><strong>&#128208; Quick note on editorial + methodology:</strong> this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that explain their growth (it&#8217;s not a comprehensive profile, not an endorsement or investment advice). I use AI like a fund leverages an analyst for groundwork, the direction + judgement are mine. Company-reported figures are marked as such, treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>From Firebase alternative &#8594; backend for agents</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GgW3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F13e3ae57-0f7f-47de-a402-9533113f6698_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GgW3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F13e3ae57-0f7f-47de-a402-9533113f6698_1638x2048.png 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Here&#8217;s how the market evolved in a nutshell:</p><h4><strong>Where we come from</strong></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png" width="728" height="402.44224422442244" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcmX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cc96aaf-b397-4ac9-817f-f24cb1d89936_606x335.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://technology.amis.nl/database/oracle-dba/back-to-the-future-oracle-41-vm-appliance/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Over time different software waves have had their own database:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Enterprise era</strong>: <a href="https://www.oracle.com/">Oracle</a></p></li><li><p><strong>Web era:</strong> <a href="https://www.mongodb.com/">MongoDB</a></p></li><li><p><strong>Mobile era</strong>: <a href="https://firebase.google.com/">Firebase</a> (bought by Google in 2014).</p></li></ul><p>In every cycle you see the same pattern where they win developers fast first then alienates them when they start going after bigger fish. Firebase for example was great to start, harder to scale, and then lived in Google&#8217;s own format which made leaving hard (lock-in). Database developers wanted Postgres (open source and 30 years old), but it was a pain to set up and hard to run and scale on your own. </p><h4><strong>Where we are</strong></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg" width="1200" height="890" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:890,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Supabase: Used by 55% of YC companies&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Supabase: Used by 55% of YC companies" title="Supabase: Used by 55% of YC companies" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T5Rx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F635e9276-aa5b-414c-b3b4-eaa2e80f5c09_1200x890.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://app.dealroom.co/news/note/supabase-used-by-55-of-yc-companies">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>As we&#8217;ll see later, Supabase used this pain (and market timing) as a wedge to grab the market. Today they have almost <strong><a href="https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-series-f">10 million registered devs</a></strong> and 250K+ paying customers, with database launches up 600% year over year (as of June 2026). Apparently over <strong><a href="https://www.craftventures.com/articles/inside-supabase-breakout-growth">half of the most recent YC batch is building on it</a></strong> (full circle considering they went through the batch in 2020).</p><h4><strong>Where the market is going</strong></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WlBH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02fbd741-75ca-454a-baba-d20008620807_692x398.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WlBH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02fbd741-75ca-454a-baba-d20008620807_692x398.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Apparently <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5aB79TE44">60% of new databases today are already being launched by AI agents</a> (in the millions every month). Claude Code alone became on of the biggest contributors to <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/04/database-startup-supabase-raises-500-million-10point5-billion-valuation.html">new databases in 2026</a>. </p><p>We&#8217;re already seeing how these &#8220;<strong>on-ramps</strong>&#8221; to intelligence (your LLM of choice, now new chokepoints for how humans use the internet) and their agents shop very differently than a human. Meaning they tend to <strong>pick from a small menu of tools</strong> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5aB79TE44">the CEO talks about 3 per job</a>). Supabase is on that menu today for this job, but the game is moving and it is moving very fast. </p><p>Handing over a database is getting commoditised but keeping them running well at scale (fasta, reliable, safe etc) is still a hard problem especially with this incoming wave. Supabase seems to be placing bets with a few things to ride the momentum like <strong><a href="https://supabase.com/blog/multigres-v0-1-alpha">Multigres</a></strong> (open-source layer for running big fleets of postgres databases) and <strong><a href="https://www.orioledb.com/">OrioleDB</a></strong> (faster engine for postgres). </p><p>Now unto how they grew so fast.</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 1: A side project</h1><p><em><strong>2019 &#8594; end 2021 &#183; $0 &#8594; ~$1M ARR</strong></em><strong> </strong></p><h4>The 0 to 1 story (from New Zealand to the world)</h4><p>The founder, <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulcopplestone">Paul Copplestone</a></strong>, grew up in a farm in New Zealand, left school at 18 + contracted his way through university. He briefly worked at a hedge fund in Australia before joining Accenture. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d85O!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39c519a7-0631-40d0-a7d0-c6aa51599890_1428x916.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d85O!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39c519a7-0631-40d0-a7d0-c6aa51599890_1428x916.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d85O!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39c519a7-0631-40d0-a7d0-c6aa51599890_1428x916.jpeg 848w, 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The company worked, but Paul wanted to start something new. He went to Singapore for the Entrepreneur First program, which he apparently didn&#8217;t stay for, but stayed there and met his now co-founder.</p><p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ant-wilson-46179937/">Ant Wilson</a></strong> is from Liverpool, did a masters in software engineering and spent around 10 years working in venture-backed startups.</p><p>The origin of the idea is linked to Paul solving his own problem. In his previous startup he had a chat feature (which needs the ability to update instantly for everyone&#8217;s screen when someone sends a message). Postgres (the databased he ran for it) couldn&#8217;t do it, so just for that feature he integrated Firebase (google&#8217;s database) which could. The problem is Firebase had issues under a lot of load and customers began <strong>receiving chats out of order</strong> (breaks conversaiton). </p><p>He tried to solve it with postgres but its built-in workaround didn&#8217;t work on messages that where beyond a very small size. So he decided to build the missing piece himself which was a <strong>small engine that watches the database</strong> and pushes every change to your screen when it happens, for free as <strong>open source.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qK3T!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0bd48661-769d-4e96-bf60-dd6ea7664ba0_1655x794.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qK3T!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0bd48661-769d-4e96-bf60-dd6ea7664ba0_1655x794.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://github.com/supabase/realtime">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The early months of their 0 &#8594; 1 went like this in a nutshell:</p><ul><li><p><strong>January 2020: </strong>Ant joins Paul and together decide to &#8220;<a href="https://review.firstround.com/how-supabase-became-the-essential-infrastructure-for-the-ai-era-paul-copplestone-co-founder-ceo/">build the most Y Combinator-friendly team, one of those things that so obviously should exist in the world</a>&#8221;</p><ul><li><p><strong>Picked the ICP:</strong> going after vc-backed startups to grow fast first (more on this in growth lever 1).</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.basedash.com/blog/how-supabase-became-this-generation-s-database">Got their first 100K </a></strong><a href="https://www.basedash.com/blog/how-supabase-became-this-generation-s-database">pre-seed from angels.</a></p></li></ul></li><li><p><strong>March 2020: </strong>the &#8220;platform&#8221; (mvp) is a form, where users submit their details and Paul launched every database by hand.</p><ul><li><p><strong>Employee #3</strong>: <a href="https://github.com/steve-chavez">Steve Chavez </a>who was a maintainer of PostgREST (open-source tool core to their stack) joins.</p></li><li><p><strong>Firebase&#8217;s founder passes on investing in them</strong>: a YC partner connected them to James Tamplin, he&#8217;d apparently seen 40+ backend-as-a-service pitches in a previous wave and this looked like one more (investing is hard! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkZvFo3n5wY">In this podcast</a> he mentions <em>&#8220;I just didn't invest and didn't join you on the journey, which I now deeply regret.", </em>fun fact also from the UK like Ant). </p></li></ul></li><li><p><strong>Spring 2020:</strong> go accepted into YC&#8217;s summer batch.</p></li></ul><p>Now unto how they grew from there:</p><div><hr></div><h2>Growth Lever 1: Launched against Firebase by name (8 &#8594;800 databases in 3 days)</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We sort of changed the positioning to the open source Firebase alternative and that&#8217;s we went from like 8 databases to 800 overnight.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Paul, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP2FUEP6Zi8">activenode</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!07Wo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F53a3904b-49b3-4baa-b09f-7b86845ab4de_2568x826.png" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23319901">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>They applied to YC before they had a product &#8220;worth launching&#8221; due to the customer list, which was the <strong>batch of startups itself</strong> (makes a lot of sense, and one of the clearest value-adds I&#8217;ve seen from a YC program, they took full advantage). These 100+ startups are basically their ideal early customers and by the end of their S20 batch they had around <strong>80 alpha users</strong> + a launch planned for Demo Day.</p><p>For a while apparently the site said "Supabase, real-time Postgres" and according to the founders <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MDoncgf2KU">"nobody cared, it didn't explain what it is, what it does, who it's for."</a></em></p><p>In May they changed it for &#8220;<strong>the open source Firebase alternative&#8221;</strong>, and even though it didn&#8217;t fully account for the serendipity that came their way it certainly helped:</p><ul><li><p>An early user (not them) posted the site to Hacker News (see above)</p></li><li><p>The moderator converted it into their official launch live and the <a href="https://www.basedash.com/blog/how-supabase-became-this-generation-s-database">second most upvoted launch HN</a> has apparently ever seen (behind Stripe)</p></li><li><p>Got them from 8 &#8594; 800 databases in 3 days</p></li></ul><p>I thought this phrase from the founder summed it well:</p><blockquote><p><em>"product-market fit often is just like a product-positioning fit." (<a href="https://review.firstround.com/how-supabase-became-the-essential-infrastructure-for-the-ai-era-paul-copplestone-co-founder-ceo/">first round pod</a>)</em></p></blockquote><h2>Growth Lever 2: &#8220;Replicated&#8221; YC&#8217;s demo day intensity inside the company (every 3 months)</h2><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Why don&#8217;t we just pretend that we&#8217;re starting the batch again, and do our best to recreate the conditions of an accelerator internally, complete with our very own Demo Day?&#8221;</em> &#8212; Ant Wilson, <a href="https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-how-we-launch">&#8220;How we launch at Supabase,&#8221; Nov 2021</a></p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N4zL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F19d6848d-7adf-4216-9d00-f5180fb60dcc_1024x538.png" 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weekly office hours until it apparently got pretty uncomfortable:</p><blockquote><p><em>"Paul, for like 4 weeks you've been telling me you're going to build auth, when the [!] are you going to ship auth?" (<a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/supabases-paul-copplestone-on-the-difference-between-playing-startup-and-strategy">Accel pod</a>)</em></p></blockquote><p>So when the batch ended they took steps to build somewhat of an <strong>internal accelerator:</strong></p><ul><li><p><strong>An internal &#8220;Demo Day&#8221; every roughly 3 months</strong>: with kick-off events, inviting speakers, custom swag every cycle etc with a basically arbitrary deadline that forces everyone to ship (constraints improve creativity!).</p></li><li><p><strong>The first one produced the <a href="https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-how-we-launch">Supabase Beta</a></strong>: with an exit criteria of <a href="https://www.basedash.com/blog/how-supabase-became-this-generation-s-database">3x Firestore&#8217;s performance</a>, a pen test and a public uptime page.</p></li><li><p><strong>The second one invented the &#8220;Launch Week&#8221;:</strong> after someone apparently asked <em><a href="https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-how-we-launch">"why just have one launch?"</a> </em>(they shipped 7 features in 5 days on March 2021)</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://supabase.com/blog/supabase-how-we-launch">They used the cap table to amplify</a></strong>: just like a yc demo day, but leveraging their angels (picked for developer-advocacy), they were part of the line items / schedule for launch</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZZpW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F512a029e-bdee-4135-b210-3a0e6c20fb76_538x235.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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They also had the engineer who built the feature be the one who wrote the marketing.</p></li></ul><blockquote><p><em>With most of the features we ship, the person who implemented the code will be the same person who writes the marketing content. This means that the content usually includes deep technical discussion. &#8212;<strong>Ant Wilson (CTO)</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>Apparenly the CEO sill calls each launch week &#8220;<a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/supabases-paul-copplestone-on-the-difference-between-playing-startup-and-strategy">our next demo day</a>&#8221;. During this time, they manage to grow databases up <strong>47% month over month for 18 months.</strong> It took them about 1.5 years to earn their first dollar, then in 1 year they ended with c.1M ARR (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5aB79TE44">founder-stated</a>), followed by their <strong>Series A in September 2021</strong> (30M led by Coatue, at a time where they had around 50K databases equivalent to 16x in 9 months).</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 2: Building the &#8220;boring&#8221; moat</h1><p><strong>2022 &#8594; late 2024 &#183; ~$1M &#8594; ~$30M ARR </strong></p><h2>Growth Lever 3: Cut database setup from 8.5 minutes to 5 seconds and removed any friction to leave (increased user freedom and trust)</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We first had to win the day-0 experience, like the Mongos and the Firebases... And then we smuggled Postgres.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Paul Copplestone, <a href="https://review.firstround.com/how-supabase-became-the-essential-infrastructure-for-the-ai-era-paul-copplestone-co-founder-ceo/">First Round</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jF5Q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c801b79-54ec-415e-91c3-336a67e94290_3200x1800.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jF5Q!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c801b79-54ec-415e-91c3-336a67e94290_3200x1800.png 424w, 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Early on they also downplayed Postgres itself just in case the market wanted MySQL. </p><p>The second part of this leaver was to <strong>invert Firebase&#8217;s original sin</strong> (making you feel trapped or locked-in after an easy start):</p><blockquote><p> <em>"be there when people are getting started and then make sure that they never want to leave." - Paul</em></p></blockquote><p>In practice:</p><ul><li><p><strong>They (kind of) undersold the product (on purpose to earn extra trust)</strong>: while everyone else kept calling everything &#8220;production-ready&#8221; they decided to keep the beta for 4 years (with thousands already running on it) and only claimed the &#8220;ready&#8221; label in <a href="https://www.craftventures.com/articles/inside-supabases-product-community-led-growth">April 2024 </a>(earned trust first).</p></li><li><p><strong>Made leaving easy (understanding buyer psychology): </strong>data sits in standard Postgres so you can pack up and leave whenever (more trust). </p></li><li><p><strong>Made big companies wait their turn:</strong> they <a href="https://techcrunch.com/podcast/supabase-ceo-on-the-painful-decisions-that-built-a-5b-company/">turned down big contracts</a> that came with additional demands (distractions) to build custom features (only built what thousand customers want).</p></li></ul><h2>Growth Lever 4: Gave the software for free and only charged for keeping it running</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;you don&#8217;t want to charge for the development time, you want to charge for the running time.&#8221; 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They <strong>charge for operating it</strong>, keeping it fast, safe and always on. It&#8217;s also part of the reason why Amazon could struggle to &#8220;kill them&#8221; / an important part of their moat.</p><p>The usual suspect / fear with open source is that someone (i.e. AWS) copies your product and then sells it cheaper, but in this case Amazon already rents out Postgres through 2 of its own services (RDS + Aurora), so there&#8217;s technically nothing new to take. The hard part for them would be running five services as one including database, logins, file storage, live update and functions (the part they charge for)</p><p>Giving it aways has kept paying the back in a few ways:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Recruiting</strong>: employee #3 maintained PostgREST and the <a href="https://www.frederick.ai/blog/paul-copplestone-supabase">first 50 hires came from the community</a> (by Series B the team was 20% ex-founders!)</p></li><li><p><strong>R&amp;D timing</strong>: in February 2023 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtxoJUZDgIU">a stranger emailed a PR adding pgvector</a> (ai-search extension), they merged it, hired the guy and where there first when the AI wave hit.</p></li><li><p><strong>Free product strategy:</strong> because postgres has thousands of ready-made add-ons their &#8220;launches&#8221; are often switching one on + writing the guide for it.</p></li></ul><h2>Growth Lever 5: Focused marketing on free databases, community and memes</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;If I could give a free database, I&#8217;d rather give that to developers than spending on marketing.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Paul Copplestone, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5aB79TE44">YC Startup School</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!77lc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!77lc!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!77lc!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!77lc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!77lc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!77lc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg" width="662" height="463" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/819abbd9-b814-4c05-b3ed-869594b3fabb_662x463.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:463,&quot;width&quot;:662,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;This exactly &#128128; 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The reason is that at their scale paid users tend to <strong>arrive with worse intent.</strong></p><p>Wilson (CTO) calls himself the Chief Meme Officer and runs it on the simple theory (but effective) that a developer &#8220;buys&#8221; a backend once (the moment a project starts) and its hard to catch that exact moment.</p><p>Here&#8217;s how they did it:</p>
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The one that lasted the longest for me was the <strong><a href="https://ouraring.com/">Oura</a></strong>, so lets dive into their growth story.</p><p>Hardware plus subscription can be a very tough business model (especially if you talk to any vc&#8217;s). You pay to build the thing, you pay to ship the thing then you ask the customer to keep paying after they already bought it, tough.</p><p>On May 21 this year, our Finnish friends at Oura here <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-21/oura-maker-of-popular-smart-rings-files-confidentially-for-ipo">filed confidentially for an IPO</a> at an $11B last-round valuation, with revenue that went <strong>$100M &#8594; $165M &#8594; $250M &#8594; ~$500M &#8594; ~$1B</strong> in 5 years with this cap-table:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MKsn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d518891-a6fc-44b7-a51f-e65b838a5a1f_731x597.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/%C5%8Cura#financials">Crunchbase</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn in this edition</strong></p><ul><li><p>Their 0 to 1 story, from a Finnish city to the world.</p></li><li><p>How they built a wearable in a way so you&#8217;d never take it off</p></li><li><p>How they let Stanford prove their claims for them</p></li><li><p>How they got 60% of sales to come from users recommending the ring</p></li><li><p>Why they sold to institutions in crisis and then let endorsements sell consumers</p></li><li><p>How &#8220;spend it or lose it&#8221; pre-tax money became a sales channel for them</p></li></ul><p>And other growth mechanics, so lets dive in!</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#128208; <strong>A quick note on editorial + methodology</strong>: this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that explain their growth (it&#8217;s not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). I use AI like a fund leverages an analyst for groundwork. The direction and judgement are mine. Company-reported figures are marked as such and figures Oura has not disclosed are third-party estimates, so treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h1>From sleep tracker &#8594; to the S-1 pile</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:3130449,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/206066002?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ky0k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2170c7cb-16d1-4942-b5df-f4b04a060830_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>A little about how this market evolved before we get to the growth mechanics:</p><h3>Where we come from</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png" width="404" height="387.84" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:768,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:404,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;The First Fitbit: How the Fitness Tracker Was Engineered - IEEE Spectrum&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="The First Fitbit: How the Fitness Tracker Was Engineered - IEEE Spectrum" title="The First Fitbit: How the Fitness Tracker Was Engineered - IEEE Spectrum" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UAdO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F236288d8-b136-4bf1-9d9f-d5405f6c1daa_800x768.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 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remember the old step counter).</p><p>The wrist won (the watch form-factor was already there) for the same reason that when you go to a hospital they clip a sensor to your <strong>finger</strong>, largely because the arteries sit close to the surface there and the signal is cleaner. Meanwhile <strong>sleep went</strong> <strong>mostly unmeasured</strong>, which is interesting considering it is the most information-dense 8 hours of your physiology, and tends to be the 80/20 to fix first.</p><h3>Where we are today</h3><p>Roughly <a href="https://infotechlead.com/devices/idcs-views-on-how-ai-and-wearables-to-revolutionize-preventive-healthcare-as-global-device-shipments-near-690-mn-by-2030-97000">164 million smartwatches shipped in 2025</a>. The ring is now basically its own category owned by Oura with <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/14/smart-ring-maker-oura-raises-900m-from-fidelity/">80%+ market share</a>. Competitor pressure has also started to build up (as expected):</p><ol><li><p><strong>Samsung</strong> &#8594; launched the Galaxy Ring at $399 with no subscription.</p></li><li><p><strong>The low-cost clones</strong> (Ultrahuman, RingConn) &#8594; attacked on price until the ITC <a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250909387922/en/">banned their rings from the US</a> in October 2025.</p></li><li><p><strong>Apple</strong> &#8594; a rumor that comes and goes.</p></li></ol><p>Oura stopped being &#8220;just&#8221; a gadget company somewhere along the way with at least half of its story now running through <strong>glucose</strong> <strong>sensors</strong>, <strong>blood</strong> <strong>panels</strong>, a Medicare Advantage <strong>sleep-apnea pathway</strong>, plus <a href="https://sacra.com/c/oura/">thousands of rings across the US defense sector </a>(US Department of Defense is now its largest enterprise customer!).</p><h3>Where the market is likely going next</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png" width="700" height="525" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:525,&quot;width&quot;:700,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Lilly Makes an Equity Investment in Oura, Supporting Oura's Vision for More  Connected Care - The Pulse Blog&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Lilly Makes an Equity Investment in Oura, Supporting Oura's Vision for More  Connected Care - The Pulse Blog" title="Lilly Makes an Equity Investment in Oura, Supporting Oura's Vision for More  Connected Care - The Pulse Blog" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FUhi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc39a06ee-6c30-4975-9f68-c0072eac7e9e_700x525.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/lilly-equity-investment/?srsltid=AfmBOortdgd5GF1fsuZ0q5zwbUagIi8IMkwCIxIEt7piCNiPupELyrh6">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The fight is moving from tracking your body to &#8220;prevention&#8221;, and 3 things will likely shape the next few years:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Platform owners set the price of software at 0: </strong>Samsung alredy did it and if Apple ships a ring bundled with an iPhone upsell it&#8217;ll build up more competitive pressure.</p></li><li><p><strong>Healthcare</strong>: the ring already flags signs of sleep apnea and then pushes Medicare members toward an actual doctor (also Eli Lilly <a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/lilly-equity-investment/">invested in the company</a> recently). In Europe healthcare represents c.10% of GDP and Hale (the current CEO) keeps saying out loud that he wants Oura to be <em>&#8220;a virtual doctor in your pocket&#8221;</em> (Slush, 2025).</p></li><li><p><strong>The IPO wave sets the price:</strong> Oura filed its S-1 recently and public markets will either read it as a hardware company or as a subscription company, we&#8217;ll see (big implications for how much they&#8217;d be able to reinvest in product + growth)</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h1>Act 1: A Kickstarter In Finland </h1><h3><strong>2013 &#8594; 2019 &#183; $0 &#8594; first 150K rings</strong></h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q9Su!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb5d4727-390e-4362-94b2-3f2812b227c9_1360x554.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Oura was founded in 2013 in Oulu which is a Finnish city 2 hours below the Arctic Circle. It is also a place that Nokia&#8217;s collapse filled with unemployed hardware engineers at the time and usefully, <a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/history-of-oura/">world-class testing labs</a>. </p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;behind Nokia we found big labs with the best equipment to test the device.&#8221;</em></p></div><p>The 3 founders (<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/plahtela/">Petteri Lahtela</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kari-kivel%C3%A4-0236122/">Kari Kivel&#228;</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/markku-koskela-84855619/">Markku Koskela</a>) came out of the Polar and Nokia orbit, and Lahtela&#8217;s obsession came from years building IT systems for chronic disease management, where he watched health data reach patients years too late. The company was originally called <strong>Jouzen</strong> (from <em>joutsen</em> the Finnish word for swan) with the <em>zen</em> for calm and a deliberate phonetic nod to the English &#8220;chosen&#8221; (members have <em>chosen</em> to prioritize their health). Cash was so tight that salaries sometimes ran months late:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We lived off personal credit cards, but everyone showed up to work every day, driven by the vision to bring Oura Ring to the world.&#8221;</em> (Marjut Uusitalo, early employee, <a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/history-of-oura/">Oura&#8217;s history blog</a>)</p></blockquote><h2>The 0 &#8594; 1: how the first rings actually got sold</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YqYA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F909f908d-6909-42a1-a189-990c12502ed9_1235x686.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oura/oura-ring-improve-sleep-perform-better">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>They decided <strong>on day one that the US was the market to go after</strong>:</p><ul><li><p><strong>March 2015</strong> &#8594; came out of stealth on stage at the San Francisco Launch Festival, where Lahtela said <em>&#8220;we all know the charge level of our mobile phones, but <strong>do you know the charge level of your body</strong>?&#8221;</em> Gen1&#8217;s official job was a way to collect data to validate the science and hone the algorithms.</p></li><li><p><strong>The first believers</strong> &#8594; not easy to find. Lahtela says it was <em>&#8220;really hard, really really hard,&#8221;</em> until they landed on people who <em>&#8220;spoke the same language,&#8221;</em> first the Quantified Self crowd in San Francisco, then the biohacking and self-optimization scene. Those early users were <em>&#8220;in resonance&#8221;</em> with the approach so they understood what Oura was going for and according to the founders <em>&#8220;helped us to form the product as well&#8221;</em>.</p></li><li><p><strong>August 2015</strong> &#8594; the <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oura/oura-ring-improve-sleep-perform-better">Kickstarter</a> hit its $100K target in 15 hours and closed at $650K from ~2,400 backers with apparently no PR and no paid ads. Those 2,400 backers were the first paying customers, recruited almost entirely through the communities above plus what Lahtela calls <em>&#8220;lots of footwork in between and after.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><strong>Investors said no</strong> &#8594; <em>&#8220;it was really hard to find investors who were also driven by something else other than money&#8221;</em>. The early cap table filled up with angels instead including Will Smith, Shaquille O&#8217;Neal, YouTube&#8217;s Steve Chen and Twitch&#8217;s Kevin Lin (per <a href="https://www.nbforum.com/nbreport/petteri-lahtela-what-i-learned-through-founding-oura-health/">Nordic Business Report</a>, so treat as reported).</p></li></ul><p>Then 2 outsiders found the company and both became levers:</p><ul><li><p><strong>2015-2017, Stanford Research Institute</strong> &#8594; secretly bought 2 rings off Kickstarter to test them (more in Growth Lever 2).</p></li><li><p><strong>2016 a Whole Foods in New York</strong> &#8594; co-founder Kivel&#228; spotted <a href="https://insider.fitt.co/oura-ceo-harpreet-singh-rai-steps-down/">the first stranger he&#8217;d ever seen wearing the ring</a>. It was Harpreet Singh Rai, a hedge fund PM who had lost ~50 pounds using it! Rai invested in September 2017, joined the board, moved to San Francisco and became CEO in 2018 (who <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6872607896258011137-Kd3D/">later stepped down</a>).</p></li></ul><p>Gen2 debuted at Slush in November 2017 and sales jumped to ~10K rings then 100K+ rings across 100+ countries by August 2019, and roughly <a href="https://research.contrary.com/company/oura">150K total before 2020</a>.</p><p>Now lets dive into how they grew:</p><h2>Growth Lever 1: They built a wearable you never take off</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;It is just there for you, you don&#8217;t need to interact with it... that is a reason why our retention rates are so high.&#8221;</em> (Petteri Lahtela, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqKf10I7ocE">Ali Fitness podcast, 2018</a>)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Oura&#8217;s website c. 2015</figcaption></figure></div><p>Wearable decisions flow from 2 architectural choices they made in 2013:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Measure from the finger</strong> &#8594; arteries sit closer to the skin than at the wrist there and the tissue is uniform so the signal tends to be cleaner + accuracy claims get &#8220;easier&#8221; to defend.</p></li><li><p><strong>Put nothing on the ring</strong> &#8594; without a screen, LEDs, or an interface. You don&#8217;t feed it attention, you don&#8217;t charge it nightly (7-8 days of battery), and as Hale likes to put it, <em>&#8220;it&#8217;s not another digital mouth to feed.&#8221;</em></p></li></ul><p>These design decisions where important because they were intentionally building a product <strong>intended for you to forget you are wearing it</strong> (and this way you don&#8217;t take it off). So continuous wear tends to lead to continuous data and therefore <strong>insights that compound</strong> (i.e.cycle prediction needs months of temperature).</p><p>Lahtela claims retention runs <strong>3 to 4x higher than any other wearable</strong> (Slush 2024).</p><h2>Growth Lever 2: They let Stanford prove their claims for them</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;Without anyone at Oura knowing, SRI had purchased two rings from Kickstarter to study Oura&#8217;s performance.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MhBd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b736ae9-e3df-4095-b9f2-f8260a08dcd1_1056x565.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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The <a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/oura-used-in-menstrual-cycle-study/?srsltid=AfmBOord9_KNTC5YnTOmhXjGdvvpP3UCq8XDGr-414nR-Z0kL5dunlTR">study, published in March 2017</a> found that the ring was the most accurate wearable for sleep staging. And just like that Oura became the <strong>first independently validated wearable on the market.</strong></p><p>They then decided to &#8220;industrialize&#8221; this happy accident with:</p><ul><li><p><strong>A real science org</strong> &#8594; with c. 70 people including 30+ PhDs and a 100K person blood pressure study.</p></li><li><p><strong>Building a partner ecosystem doing distribution</strong> &#8594; <a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/history-of-oura/">800+ partners by end of 2024</a>.</p></li><li><p><strong>A" &#8220;clinical-grade&#8221; internal bar</strong> &#8594; <em>&#8220;we aspire to the level of accuracy and quality that would be appropriate for a medical device&#8221;</em> (Hale, How Leaders Lead), without really being regulated like one though.</p></li></ul><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;By enabling other partners they become your salespeople and your distribution channel and your referral network.&#8221;</em> (Tom Hale, Masters of Scale 2025)</p></blockquote><h2>Growth Lever 3: They got 60% of sales from users recommending the ring</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;The best marketing is when you create such a (good) user experience that the user reveals something of themselves that they didn&#8217;t know before... he or she wants to tell about the product to everyone.&#8221;</em> (Petteri Lahtela, Slush 2024)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TIYI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fca17f91f-1e97-4240-8116-0f0564a25be0_1000x666.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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with friends on whatsapp before.</p><p>The loop became something like this:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The product produces &#8220;tellable&#8221; moments</strong> &#8594; it can flag certain things like you&#8217;re getting sick a couple days before you actually feel it. The CEO tells the story of a stranger stopping him in an airport to tell him <em>&#8220;Oura got me pregnant&#8221;</em> (Slush 2025).</p></li><li><p><strong>Celebrites started wearing it (without contracts in the background)</strong>&#8594; Bill Gates, Bezos, Bono, Jennifer Aniston, and many others apparently. They didn&#8217;t sign their first paid ambassadors (Harry Kane, Declan Rice) until 2026.</p></li><li><p><strong>Prince Harry as an &#8220;extreme&#8221; case</strong> &#8594; he wore it on <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/prince-harry-s-ring-sparks-interest-new-sleep-tracker-n921696">official tours in 2018</a> and the press went hunting for what that black band on his finger was. They apparently never paid him or met him. The whole thing went through his doctor and the note that came back was roughly to not talk about the ring but to talk about how this can <strong>help adults stay or become more healthy.</strong></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h1>Act 2: The Bubble, the $6 Revolt, and the Missed Target</h1><p><strong>2020 &#8594; 2022 &#183; 150K rings &#8594; $165M revenue</strong></p><p>In 2020 COVID made body temperature front-page news for all of us, then 2 university studies said Oura could spot symptoms early and <a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/history-of-oura/">65K users donated their data to prove it</a> (everyone wanted one). But it didn&#8217;t last:</p><h2>Growth Lever 4: They sold to institutions in crisis, then let the endorsements sell consumers</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;From the NBA to Vegas casinos, everyone&#8217;s clamoring for the $299 ring.&#8221;</em> </p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png" width="595" height="208" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:208,&quot;width&quot;:595,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:595,&quot;bytes&quot;:53320,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/206066002?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iaBz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9b1457b-a0dc-44e9-ac25-aef322e40146_595x208.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://ouraring.com/blog/partners-with-the-nba/?srsltid=AfmBOoqwSlEgTbXjAkZMWic7l4OvLki8dcfCqPMDvNIFq-OUnoUsePjq">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Who signed in 2020:</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Suno AI: $0 to $300M ARR in 3 Years]]></title><description><![CDATA[The growth playbook behind music's most controversial $5.4B company]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/suno-ai-0-to-300m-arr-in-3-years</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/suno-ai-0-to-300m-arr-in-3-years</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 06:02:29 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!unM2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10844c4b-a43d-4f31-98cf-2dacf9782dbb_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>&#128075; I&#8217;m </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a><span>. I study </span><strong><span>how top 1% startups grow.</span></strong></p><p>Over 30,000 subscribers turn to us for startup growth strategy deep-dives.</p><p>In case you missed it:</p><ul><li><p>&#128444;&#65039; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/gamma-ai-growth-playbook">Gamma AI: 0 to $100M ARR in 6 years</a></p></li><li><p>&#129302; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/n8n-growth-playbook">n8n&#8217;s Growth Playbook: 0 to $100M ARR</a></p></li><li><p>&#127916; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/synthesia-revenue-growth">Synthesia&#8217;s Growth Playbook: $0 &#8594; $150M ARR</a></p></li></ul><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#127942; P.s. 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong><a href="https://suno.com">Suno</a>,</strong> the AI music generator app<strong>,</strong> recently raised <strong><a href="https://variety.com/2026/digital/news/ai-music-suno-funding-round-400-million-5-4-billion-valuation-1236765727/">$400M at a $5.4B valuation</a></strong>. Their ARR has also skyrocketed from <strong><a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-2-million-paid-subscribers-300m-arr-revenue/">$200M to $300M in roughly 90 days</a></strong> this winter, and the same week they announced it a group of artist groups published an open letter titled <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/02/26/ai-music-platform-suno-reaches-2-million-subscribers-as-industry-backlash-grows/">&#8220;Say No to Suno.&#8221;</a></p><p>In any case, this is the kind of company that leaves a mark. This is giving me flashbacks from when artists said Spotify would kill music, Napster and the MP3 drama before that, home taping was &#8220;killing music&#8221; in the 80s before that, radio before that&#8230; you see the pattern right? </p><p>I&#8217;m excited about this one, and trying the product is honestly pretty magical (I lost a few hours to it while writing this edition). No surprise they&#8217;ve attracted some of the sharpest money in tech over the past 3 years: </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2zzP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2zzP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2zzP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2zzP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2zzP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2zzP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png" width="874" height="368" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:368,&quot;width&quot;:874,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:67464,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot; Funding Rounds Investors Total Funding Amount  $775M Number of Funding Rounds  5 Lead Investors Lightspeed Venture Partners, Menlo Ventures, Union Square Ventures, Bond, IVP Announced Date   Transaction Name   Number of Investors   Money Raised   Lead Investors   Funding Type   Jun 3, 2026\t Series D - Suno Logo Series D - Suno 10\t$400M\tBond\tSeries D Nov 19, 2025\t Series C - Suno Logo Series C - Suno 6\t$250M\tMenlo Ventures\tSeries C May 20, 2024\t Series B - Suno Logo Series B - Suno 5\t$125M\tLightspeed Venture Partners\tSeries B Mar 1, 2023\t Series A - Suno Logo Series A - Suno 2\t&#8212;\tMatrix\tSeries A Jan 1, 2022\t Seed Round - Suno Logo Seed Round - Suno 1\t&#8212;\t&#8212;\tSeed&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/202409773?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F943089b1-cc0a-4382-8d6c-856ecb8f893e_874x368.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt=" Funding Rounds Investors Total Funding Amount  $775M Number of Funding Rounds  5 Lead Investors Lightspeed Venture Partners, Menlo Ventures, Union Square Ventures, Bond, IVP Announced Date   Transaction Name   Number of Investors   Money Raised   Lead Investors   Funding Type   Jun 3, 2026&#9; Series D - Suno Logo Series D - Suno 10&#9;$400M&#9;Bond&#9;Series D Nov 19, 2025&#9; Series C - Suno Logo Series C - Suno 6&#9;$250M&#9;Menlo Ventures&#9;Series C May 20, 2024&#9; Series B - Suno Logo Series B - Suno 5&#9;$125M&#9;Lightspeed Venture Partners&#9;Series B Mar 1, 2023&#9; Series A - Suno Logo Series A - Suno 2&#9;&#8212;&#9;Matrix&#9;Series A Jan 1, 2022&#9; Seed Round - Suno Logo Seed Round - Suno 1&#9;&#8212;&#9;&#8212;&#9;Seed" title=" Funding Rounds Investors Total Funding Amount  $775M Number of Funding Rounds  5 Lead Investors Lightspeed Venture Partners, Menlo Ventures, Union Square Ventures, Bond, IVP Announced Date   Transaction Name   Number of Investors   Money Raised   Lead Investors   Funding Type   Jun 3, 2026&#9; Series D - Suno Logo Series D - Suno 10&#9;$400M&#9;Bond&#9;Series D Nov 19, 2025&#9; Series C - Suno Logo Series C - Suno 6&#9;$250M&#9;Menlo Ventures&#9;Series C May 20, 2024&#9; Series B - Suno Logo Series B - Suno 5&#9;$125M&#9;Lightspeed Venture Partners&#9;Series B Mar 1, 2023&#9; 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<strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology:</strong> this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that explain Suno&#8217;s growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Long-form founder interviews (20VC, indie.vc, Inspired, etc) plus Sequoia&#8217;s Training Data and No Priors, reporting from TechCrunch, Forbes, WSJ, etc. Company-reported figures are marked as such. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h1>Act 1: The Discord Bot</h1><h3><strong>Mar 2023 &#8594; May 2024 &#183; $0 &#8594; 10M users</strong></h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!unM2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10844c4b-a43d-4f31-98cf-2dacf9782dbb_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!unM2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10844c4b-a43d-4f31-98cf-2dacf9782dbb_1638x2048.png 424w, 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The pitch is an <em><strong>audio understanding tool</strong></em>, because they think generating music is out of reach (for now). </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We said we would need a hundred times more compute to be able to produce good audio,&#8221; &#8212;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWZMzN8-quM">Shulman</a></em></p></blockquote><p>They close a seed round the same week Silicon Valley Bank collapses in March 2023. </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Most people didn&#8217;t know where their money was&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Weeks later they realize they were wrong about the compute, they see open-source tooling from the text world (Shulman name-checks Karpathy&#8217;s nanoGPT) had made <strong>small-scale generative audio possible</strong>, and they basically decide to throw away the company they pitched.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We were building these speech things during the day and we would play with these things at night making music, and at some point it was just like&#8230;</em></p><p><em>what are we doing?&#8221; </em></p></blockquote><h2>Growth Lever 1: They made the paywall their quality benchmark.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We didn&#8217;t want to be a novelty item. We wanted to be giving people something that they enjoyed enough to pay for.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YL83U5VWk">Shulman, 20VC</a></em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nVhY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9d3845-bbab-4c36-b822-ed76fb73d2f9_746x374.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nVhY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b9d3845-bbab-4c36-b822-ed76fb73d2f9_746x374.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Suno&#8217;s first landing page c.2023</figcaption></figure></div><p>One of Suno&#8217;s most important problems early on was <strong>measurement</strong>.</p><p>Whereas a coding model has benchmarks and a math model has right answers a song or music is &#8220;taste&#8221;, I would imagine it&#8217;s harder to run a test to objectively know whether your music model is getting better every week.</p><p>So their <strong>paywall</strong> (which started as &#8220;maybe a bit of a happy accident&#8221;, free tier capped at 10 songs a day then pay for more) became the company&#8217;s <strong>substitute for an eval:</strong></p><ol><li><p><strong>Day-one paywall hits are the quality score:</strong> the number the founder watches most is how many new users burn all 10 free songs in their first session, because if you did, <em>&#8220;you just enjoyed the last 10 or 12 minutes of your life.&#8221;</em> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay9002j_VSI">Almost 50% of new users do (myself included).</a> And when a model update ships that number is the verdict they pay attention to.</p></li><li><p><strong>Early subscribers mark the magic moments:</strong> some users pay before ever hitting the wall, <em>&#8220;Let&#8217;s go talk to them and figure out what was that magical moment.&#8221;</em>, which also gives them a way to find and deeply understand those people / power users.</p></li><li><p><strong>The money mattered too:</strong> since compute apparently runs a few times payroll.</p></li></ol><p>An investor gave the founder a framing they now repeat internally: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Let me write the obituary of the company for you. A bunch of brainiacs who think they&#8217;re smart enough to intuit what the best consumer experience is going to be, and they get their lunch eaten by a bunch of people who just iterate their way there faster.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>If your product&#8217;s quality is subjective then charging early might be a great measurement instrument (disguised as monetization). </p><h2>Growth Lever 2: They rented distribution 3 times before building their own surface.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;I said we&#8217;re going to be on Discord forever. 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Quick answer to something a reader asked after the <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">Lovable edition</a>:</em> </p><p><strong>&#128073; Where did the </strong><em><strong>first</strong></em><strong> users come from?</strong></p><p><em>In Suno&#8217;s case it was an open source repo. In April 2023 they released <a href="https://github.com/suno-ai/bark">Bark</a>, a free text-to-speech model, the first very realistic open one at the time. It blew up (39K GitHub stars) and per Shulman &#8220;it put us on the map, people started to reach out: potential employees, investors, potential customers.&#8221; </em></p><p><em>The clever part is that, if you notice, <a href="https://github.com/suno-ai/bark">the Bark README points everyone to Suno&#8217;s Discord</a>. 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mikeyshulman_github-suno-aibark-text-prompted-generative-activity-7095518626685808640-pCnl/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div></div><p>The first product in August 2023 was a Discord bot with zero UI to build, community included, <strong>straight from the Midjourney playbook</strong>. </p><p>It grew to hundreds of thousands of members (today almost 400K).</p><p>Then in December 2023, <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/19/microsoft-copilot-gets-a-music-creation-feature-via-suno-integration/">Microsoft integrated Suno as a plugin inside Copilot</a>, putting song generation in front of one of the largest distribution surfaces on earth (while they had about a dozen employees at the time).</p><p>In November 2023, co-founder <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/mcamac">Martin Camacho</a> pushed a thin web app over Shulman&#8217;s objections (&#8221;I&#8217;m like no no no no&#8221;). It launched with less functionality than the Discord bot and <strong>within 5 days, 90% of traffic had moved to the web.</strong> </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;There&#8217;s no world in which you can say that I got that right,&#8221; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YL83U5VWk">Shulman says</a>.</em></p></blockquote><p>Also, they didn&#8217;t shut the Discord down, it became a permanent free feedback firehose with hundreds of thousands of members. So distribution got rebuilt in-house but the community stayed rented. I also like Discord for this type of product / feedback.</p><p>Then in March 2024, <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-ai-chatgpt-for-music-1234982307/">Rolling Stone ran a cover-level feature</a> and released "<em>Soul of the Machine,</em>" a blues song generated from the prompt "<em>Mississippi Delta blues song about a sad AI</em>" and it <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-ai-chatgpt-music-soul-of-the-machine-1234992365/">went viral with 36,000+ plays in 4 days</a>. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCwt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbf1ba086-85dd-4c6e-9830-75c55c7b9247_902x678.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Early 2024 Suno.ai website</figcaption></figure></div><p>Early on, Suno&#8217;s model could only make <strong>12 seconds of rough audio</strong> and the competition (and there were plenty of research demos) optimized for pristine 10-second loops and expected users to stitch them together. </p><p>But Suno went the other way and everybody could hear it, Shulman&#8217;s own words:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Everybody could hear 1 second of a Suno song and know: oh, that sounds like crap, that&#8217;s a Suno song.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s why I think in this case the &#8220;worse-sounding&#8221; product won aka why the <strong>(hard)</strong> <strong>trade-off decision worked</strong>:</p><ol><li><p><strong>You can share a full song:</strong> a 10-second clip is a demo for other musicians, you need editing software and some skill to turn it into anything, but a two-and-a-half-minute song with your friend&#8217;s name in the chorus tends to go straight to the group chat (I&#8217;ve done it, multiple times).</p></li><li><p><strong>That sharing was the growth engine:</strong> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay9002j_VSI">Shulman says all growth to date has been organic</a>, <em>&#8220;because music is really meant to be shared.&#8221;</em> Every song made on Suno is an ad for Suno.</p></li><li><p><strong>Bad audio was a problem that fixes itself:</strong> every new model version sounds better and v3 through v5 did exactly that. A clip never turns into a full song no matter how crisp it gets, whereas in their case they picked a flaw that time tends to erase (considering the past 2 years especially).</p></li></ol><p>One technical detail here is that <strong>Suno generates music the way ChatGPT generates text</strong> (one token after another). Most audio research at the time used diffusion (the approach behind image models) which sounds cleaner but is worse at holding a song together over 3 minutes. They also refused to program music theory into the model, so it learns everything from raw audio:</p><blockquote><p><em><a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/sunos-mikey-shulman-everyone-can-make-music-now/">&#8220;If you tell the model there are 12 tones, it will only ever produce those 12 tones. You will be forever limited.&#8221;</a></em></p></blockquote><p>By May 2024 they announced <a href="https://suno.com/blog/fundraising-announcement-may-2024">$125M raised</a> at a <a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ai-music-generator-suno-raises-125m-valuing-company-at-500m-report/">reported ~$500M valuation</a>, led by Lightspeed with Nat Friedman, Daniel Gross, Matrix and Founder Collective. </p><p>Then 6 weeks after the announcement the music industry sued them&#8230;</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 2: Speed &amp; Craft</h1><h3><strong>Jun 2024 &#8594; Nov 2025 &#183; ~$40M &#8594; $200M ARR</strong></h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;AI song generator startups Suno and Udio angered the music industry. Now  they're hoping to join it | FOX 2&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="AI song generator startups Suno and Udio angered the music industry. Now  they're hoping to join it | FOX 2" title="AI song generator startups Suno and Udio angered the music industry. Now  they're hoping to join it | FOX 2" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wtLZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81365b55-94db-4573-94c2-8c5bed966acc_2560x1440.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://fox2now.com/entertainment-news/ap-entertainment/ap-ai-song-generator-startups-suno-and-udio-angered-the-music-industry-now-theyre-hoping-to-join-it/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>On June 24, 2024, <a href="https://www.riaa.com/record-companies-bring-landmark-cases-for-responsible-ai-againstsuno-and-udio-in-boston-and-new-york-federal-courts-respectively/">the RIAA filed suit</a> on behalf of Sony, Universal and Warner. They now had billions in exposure, with roughly $40M in revenue and <strong>12 employees.</strong></p><p>17 months later <strong>they&#8217;d be worth $2.45B</strong>, here&#8217;s what they did next:</p><h2>Growth Lever 4: They got users to train the model without noticing.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;Without the scale of preference data that we have, we wouldn&#8217;t even be able to develop the techniques that we are using.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/sunos-mikey-shulman-everyone-can-make-music-now/">Shulman, Sequoia Training Data</a></em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png" width="1456" height="537" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CeI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc17541c2-cd32-47c7-98cc-5683dc3b77cb_1694x625.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://suno.com/s/sDTX88ZG1xWGAyQp">made this BEAT for your enjoyment ;)</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Ever wondered why <strong>Suno gives you 2 songs</strong> every time you hit Create? </p><p>Well it apparently started because as we&#8217;ve discussed at the beginning songs were usually not great, and 2 tries 2x&#8217;d the odds you&#8217;d like one. And it turned out to be a very <strong>good design decision.</strong></p><p>The benchmark problem from Lever 1 applies to training too. You can&#8217;t improve a model if you can&#8217;t score its output, and it&#8217;s hard to &#8220;score a song&#8221;, so with this mechanism they <strong>let users do the scoring without telling them:</strong></p><ol><li><p><strong>2 songs is a blind taste test:</strong> model serves two outputs it rates as equal and whatever you do next (plays, likes, shares, remixes) becomes a training label. <em>&#8220;You want to be very subtle with how you introduce this into your product, we don&#8217;t want this to look like a data collection platform.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><strong>The signal is scary sensitive:</strong> add 3 seconds of artificial lag and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay9002j_VSI">users rate the same songs worse</a>. If likes can pick up latency they can pick up anything.</p></li><li><p><strong>Power users show them what to build:</strong> songwriters have always hummed nonsense syllables to find a melody before writing words and Suno users kind of reinvented this on their own (typing gibberish into the lyrics box to get the melody right first, then writing lyrics to match). Suno noticed and built the workflow into the product.</p></li></ol><p>Those little votes become the moat, it becomes harder to copy something that has 3 years of users picking song A over song B millions of times a day (teaching a model taste). </p><h2>Growth Lever 5: They treated the lawsuit as the price of the catalog.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We know that there are some copyrighted works in our training data. That&#8217;s not illegal. It&#8217;s stock standard for the industry. It&#8217;s what every AI company does.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YL83U5VWk">Shulman, 20VC</a></em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg" width="942" height="628" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:628,&quot;width&quot;:942,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;AI Music Lawsuit: Suno and Udio Respond to Major Labels&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="AI Music Lawsuit: Suno and Udio Respond to Major Labels" title="AI Music Lawsuit: Suno and Udio Respond to Major Labels" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Queb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F93289f0b-47cd-441a-ae95-47cceadcbb30_942x628.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/ai-music-lawsuit-suno-udio-respond-major-labels/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>There is no version of this story where Suno stumbled into <strong>infringement</strong>. </p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/antrod/">Antonio Rodriguez of Matrix</a>, who backed them before the product existed, <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-ai-chatgpt-for-music-1234982307/">told Rolling Stone in early 2024</a> that a label lawsuit was <em>&#8220;the risk we had to underwrite when we invested in the company, because we&#8217;re the fat wallet that will get sued right behind these guys.&#8221;</em> </p><p>And in the same interview: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Honestly, if we had deals with labels when this company got started, <strong>I probably wouldn&#8217;t have invested in it</strong>. I think that they needed to make this product without the constraints.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>So the investor is basically saying <strong>permission would have killed the company</strong>, so they priced the punishment instead.</p><p>What made the bet survivable was everything in Levers 1-4 aka:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Revenue + traction quality kept the burn low</strong>: <em>&#8221;revenues mean we burn it very slowly, and that is a real weapon&#8221;.</em></p></li><li><p><strong>The product kept shipping + improving at full speed through the suit:</strong> mobile app (July 2024), v4 (November 2024), Covers, Personas, v4.5, <a href="https://suno.com/blog/suno-acquires-wavtool">the WavTool acquisition</a>, <a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-releases-most-powerful-version-yet-days-after-record-labels-allege-illegal-stream-ripping-from-youtube/">v5</a> and the <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/suno-introduces-suno-studio-a-generative-audio-workstation-built-for-all-creatives-from-seasoned-pros-to-aspiring-artists-302567486.html">Suno Studio DAW (September 2025)</a>. </p></li><li><p><strong>And the founder kept the temperature down in public</strong>: <em>&#8220;It just seems silly to throw a bunch of venture dollars at lawyers instead of sitting down and talking about how you could work together.&#8221;</em></p></li></ol><p>The uncomfortable part and worth being honest about is that the labels&#8217; <a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-releases-most-powerful-version-yet-days-after-record-labels-allege-illegal-stream-ripping-from-youtube/">September 2025 amended complaint alleges Suno got its training data by stream-ripping YouTube</a> through its encryption, a claim shaped by Anthropic&#8217;s $1.5B settlement over pirated books. That specific allegation is unresolved and it is the sharpest legal edge left in the case apparently.</p><h2>Growth Lever 6: They made professionals the proof and amateurs the volume.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;A very good songwriter put it to me like that: Suno is the Ozempic of music. Everyone&#8217;s using it, no one&#8217;s talking about it.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.billboard.com/video/sunos-ai-model-is-disrupting-music-business-mikey-shulman/">Shulman, Billboard On The Record</a> </em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png" width="725" height="408.37191358024694" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:365,&quot;width&quot;:648,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:725,&quot;bytes&quot;:282227,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/202409773?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a5Qz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F535865f9-cb18-4b62-ac93-486a12327a5a_648x365.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/timbaland-launches-ai-music-company-stage-zero-with-first-ai-artist-tata/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Suno&#8217;s user base is split in two, on one hand you have power users who sit for hours perfecting a track, on the other you have casuals <em>&#8220;soundtracking their life&#8221;</em>. The casuals bring the volume and <strong>the pros bring the permission.</strong></p><p>The machine they built for the pro side:</p><ol><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/timbaland-launches-ai-music-company-stage-zero-with-first-ai-artist-tata/">Timbaland, October 2024</a>: </strong>was already a heavy user before they ever met (&#8221;you can&#8217;t fake this stuff&#8221;), he became a strategic advisor, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YL83U5VWk">paid in equity, no cash</a>. His <a href="https://timbaland.suno.com/">"Love Again" remix contest</a> put his stems on Suno with a $100K+ prize pool, and 100K people apparently remixed the song.</p></li><li><p><strong>The VIP program: </strong>thousands of professional producers and songwriters with names you&#8217;d recognize, on-call support, early features, songwriting camps in LA, New York and Tokyo. <a href="https://www.billboard.com/video/sunos-ai-model-is-disrupting-music-business-mikey-shulman/">Their retention is the highest of any cohort.</a></p></li><li><p><strong>The retention numbers themselves became the pitch</strong>: from <a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-creates-spotify-catalog-music-two-weeks-pitch-deck/">the deck Billboard obtained</a> ~25% of subscribers still active after 30 days, <strong>78% weekly retention for subscribers,</strong> and 350K lapsed users reactivating every week. <em>&#8220;Numbers like that are unheard of for tools. People use tools weekly, not daily. Those look more like consumer social applications.&#8221;</em></p></li></ol><p>Then the proof went mainstream when in September last year <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opuDZYJuAz0">Xania Monet</a> (an AI-voiced persona built on Suno by poet Telisha &#8220;Nikki&#8221; Jones!), became the first AI act to chart on Billboard radio airplay and <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/27/ai-music-generator-suno-hits-2-million-paid-subscribers-and-300m-in-annual-recurring-revenue/">signed a multimillion dollar deal with Hallwood</a>. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png" width="577" height="204.38692098092642" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:130,&quot;width&quot;:367,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:577,&quot;bytes&quot;:22710,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/202409773?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9jk2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e43ff78-571c-466b-9616-6f4036afc3a2_367x130.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opuDZYJuAz0">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>By November 19, 2025, Suno announced a <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/19/legally-embattled-ai-music-startup-suno-raises-at-2-45b-valuation-on-200m-revenue/">$250M Series C at $2.45B</a>, led by Menlo with Nvidia&#8217;s venture arm, on $200M of revenue and 1M paid subscribers.</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 3: The Table Flip</h1><h3><strong>Nov 2025 &#8594; today &#183; $200M &#8594; $300M+ ARR</strong></h3><p>On November 25, 2025, Warner Music Group <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/25/warner-music-signs-deal-with-ai-music-startup-suno-settles-lawsuit/">settled</a>. They <strong>announced a <a href="https://suno.com/blog/wmg-partnership">full partnership</a></strong> with licensed models built on opted-in Warner catalog, artist name-and-likeness controls, new revenue streams for songwriters.</p><p>And as part of the deal,<strong> <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/warner-music-group-and-suno-forge-groundbreaking-partnership-302626017.html">Suno acquired Songkick</a></strong>, the concert discovery platform, from Warner. Quite the turn-around!</p><h2>Growth Lever 7: They turned the settlement into an acquisition.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think of what we did as a settlement. I think about this much more like a partnership. It is much more long-term.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.billboard.com/video/sunos-ai-model-is-disrupting-music-business-mikey-shulman/">Shulman</a></em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZLBY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5127f036-247d-445b-a870-7a4f076fe94e_1920x1080.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZLBY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5127f036-247d-445b-a870-7a4f076fe94e_1920x1080.jpeg 424w, 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Warner CEO Robert Kyncl <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/warner-music-group-and-suno-forge-groundbreaking-partnership-302626017.html">said it plainly in the press release</a>: <em>&#8220;With Suno rapidly scaling, both in users and monetization, we&#8217;ve seized this opportunity to shape models that expand revenue.&#8221;</em> </p></li><li><p><strong>They got softer terms than the competition:</strong><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-warner-music-group-ai-music-settlement-lawsuit-1235472868/"> Udio&#8217;s settlements with UMG and Warner apparently locked its users into a walled garden</a> whereas Suno&#8217;s deal <strong>kept creation and sharing open,</strong> moved downloads behind the paid tier (a monetization lever disguised as a concession), and committed to licensed models replacing the current ones in 2026. Asked directly whether Warner took equity, <a href="https://www.billboard.com/video/sunos-ai-model-is-disrupting-music-business-mikey-shulman/">Shulman went</a> <em>&#8220;stay tuned, later this year more will come.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><strong>Songkick points at the next act:</strong> live music data plus fan behavior plus a platform where <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWZMzN8-quM">a quarter of all songs are remixes of other songs</a>. Shulman&#8217;s stated vision is your favorite artist releasing a $19.99 interactive album, fans filling in verses, and the <strong>artist playing the best fan remix live at MSG.</strong> </p></li></ol><p>And of course the market&#8217;s verdict came fast with ARR going from $200M at the Series C to <strong><a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-2-million-paid-subscribers-300m-arr-revenue/">$300M by February 25, 2026</a></strong><a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-2-million-paid-subscribers-300m-arr-revenue/">, with paid subscribers doubling from 1M to 2M</a> in roughly 90 days. And in June 2026, a <a href="https://suno.com/blog/series-d-announcement">$400M Series D at $5.4B led by Bond</a>, with unnamed &#8220;<em>leading artists, songwriters and producers&#8221;</em> in the round.</p><p>Lets see where they go next!</p><div><hr></div><h2>5 Growth Lessons</h2><p>My favorite take-aways:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Charged when there was no other way to measure quality:</strong> because music is harder to benchmark the day-one paywall hits / analytics became the score the model updates had to &#8220;beat&#8221;.</p></li><li><p><strong>Rented distribution 3 times:</strong> discord for free UI, Copilot for Microsoft&#8217;s reach, then dropped them when their own thin web app won 90% of traffic in 5 days.</p></li><li><p><strong>Shipped the shareable unit:</strong> whole fuzzy songs beat crisp clips because they realized a finished song is what people actually want to forward (growth loop).</p></li><li><p><strong>Turned clicks into training data:</strong> two songs per Create built 3 years of preference data (moat).</p></li><li><p><strong>Priced the lawsuit instead of asking permission:</strong> their first investor underwrote it before the product existed, and 17 months later the plaintiff chose a partnership.</p></li></ol><p>That&#8217;s it for this week friends!</p><p>Cheers, </p><p>Ivan</p><p><em>P.s. If you want to help me out, the best thing you can do is share my work. &#128591;</em></p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#128640; <strong>Building something in this space?</strong> We invest <strong>&#8364;100K-3M at pre-seed</strong> and seed. If you&#8217;re raising or know someone who is, please send us your deck via <strong>DM</strong>.</p></div><h2>&#128218; Bibliography</h2><p><strong>Founder and operator interviews</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YL83U5VWk">20VC, Mikey Shulman, &#8220;The Future of Music, What is Gonna Happen?&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.billboard.com/video/sunos-ai-model-is-disrupting-music-business-mikey-shulman/">Billboard On The Record, Mikey Shulman &#8212; March 11, 2026</a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqOWjwoSBc4">No Priors Ep. 64, Mikey Shulman with Sarah Guo and Elad Gil</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cerOTTKAfMw&amp;t">indie.vc podcast, &#8220;Riding an AI Rocketship with Mikey Shulman&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWZMzN8-quM">Inspired with Alexa von Tobel, Mikey Shulman</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZQx4PFqvs">Build with Japan (Coral Capital), Mikey Shulman &#8212; December 11, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/sunos-mikey-shulman-everyone-can-make-music-now/">Sequoia Training Data Ep. 85, Mikey Shulman &#8212; June 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay9002j_VSI">Behind the Craft (Peter Yang), Mikey Shulman &#8212; January 26, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.redpoint.com/content-hub/video/ceo-of-suno-mikey-shulman-on-future-of-music-with-ai-tactics-for-model-eval-and-solving-the-blank-canvas-problem/">Redpoint Unsupervised Learning, Mikey Shulman &#8212; 2024</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Suno primary sources</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://suno.com/blog/fundraising-announcement-may-2024">Series B announcement, &#8220;Suno has raised $125 million&#8221; &#8212; May 21, 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://suno.com/blog/series-c-announcement">Series C announcement &#8212; November 19, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://suno.com/blog/wmg-partnership">WMG partnership announcement, &#8220;A new chapter in music creation&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://suno.com/blog/series-d-announcement">Series D announcement, &#8220;The Next Chapter for Suno&#8221; &#8212; June 3, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/suno-introduces-suno-studio-a-generative-audio-workstation-built-for-all-creatives-from-seasoned-pros-to-aspiring-artists-302567486.html">Suno Studio launch release &#8212; September 25, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://suno.com/blog/v5-5">v5.5 announcement &#8212; March 2026</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Coverage and analysis</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-ai-chatgpt-for-music-1234982307/">Rolling Stone: &#8220;A ChatGPT for Music Is Here. Inside Suno, the Startup Changing Everything&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-ai-chatgpt-music-soul-of-the-machine-1234992365/">Rolling Stone: &#8220;Soul of the Machine&#8221; follow-up &#8212; March 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/ai-music-generator-new-model-suno-1235172581/">Rolling Stone: Suno v4 &#8212; November 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/velvet-sundown-ai-band-suno-1235377652/">Rolling Stone: The Velvet Sundown investigation &#8212; July 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/suno-warner-music-group-ai-music-settlement-lawsuit-1235472868/">Rolling Stone: Suno-Warner settlement &#8212; November 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.riaa.com/record-companies-bring-landmark-cases-for-responsible-ai-againstsuno-and-udio-in-boston-and-new-york-federal-courts-respectively/">RIAA: press release and complaint &#8212; June 24, 2024</a> &#183; <a href="https://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Suno-complaint-file-stamped20.pdf">complaint PDF</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-creates-spotify-catalog-music-two-weeks-pitch-deck/">Billboard: Suno pitch deck reporting &#8212; November 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-2-million-paid-subscribers-300m-arr-revenue/">Billboard: 2M paid subscribers, $300M ARR &#8212; February 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/19/legally-embattled-ai-music-startup-suno-raises-at-2-45b-valuation-on-200m-revenue/">TechCrunch: Series C at $2.45B on $200M revenue &#8212; November 19, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/25/warner-music-signs-deal-with-ai-music-startup-suno-settles-lawsuit/">TechCrunch: Warner settles with Suno &#8212; November 25, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/27/ai-music-generator-suno-hits-2-million-paid-subscribers-and-300m-in-annual-recurring-revenue/">TechCrunch: Suno hits 2M paid subscribers and $300M ARR &#8212; February 27, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/19/microsoft-copilot-gets-a-music-creation-feature-via-suno-integration/">TechCrunch: Microsoft Copilot gets Suno integration &#8212; December 19, 2023</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ai-music-generator-suno-raises-125m-valuing-company-at-500m-report/">Music Business Worldwide: Series B at $500M valuation &#8212; May 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-releases-most-powerful-version-yet-days-after-record-labels-allege-illegal-stream-ripping-from-youtube/">Music Business Worldwide: v5 launch + stream-ripping allegations </a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/timbaland-launches-ai-music-company-stage-zero-with-first-ai-artist-tata/">Music Business Worldwide: Timbaland&#8217;s Stage Zero and TaTa &#8212; June 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-is-raising-another-250-million-at-a-5-billion-valuation-reports/">Music Business Worldwide: Series D reports + distributor blocks &#8212; May 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-hits-2m-paid-subscribers-300m-annual-revenue/">Music Business Worldwide: 2M subscribers, $300M ARR &#8212; February 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/02/26/ai-music-platform-suno-reaches-2-million-subscribers-as-industry-backlash-grows/">Forbes: 2M subscribers as backlash grows &#8212; February 26, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/05/04/ai-music-generator-suno-eyes-5-billion-valuation-after-latest-funding-round/">Forbes: Suno eyes $5B valuation &#8212; May 4, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/warner-music-group-and-suno-forge-groundbreaking-partnership-302626017.html">Warner Music Group press release &#8212; November 25, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://variety.com/2026/digital/news/ai-music-suno-funding-round-400-million-5-4-billion-valuation-1236765727/">Variety: Series D at $5.4B &#8212; June 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://fortune.com/2026/06/04/suno-ai-and-the-future-of-music-5-4-billion-valuation-eye-on-ai/">Fortune: Suno and the future of music &#8212; June 4, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/music/music-industry-news/suno-announces-400m-funding-round-5-4b-valuation-1236612548/">Hollywood Reporter: Series D coverage &#8212; June 2026</a></p></li></ul>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Gamma AI: 0 to $100M ARR in 6 years]]></title><description><![CDATA[The growth playbook behind a profitable AI unicorn built by 50 people]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/gamma-ai-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/gamma-ai-growth-playbook</guid><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 06:01:40 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wqZ9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff638717b-1b8f-4920-8a0e-077025bf4bfa_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>&#128075; I&#8217;m </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a><span>. 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It was built by 3 first-time founders, one of whom heard <em>&#8220;that is the worst idea I have ever heard&#8221; </em>from a VC <em>(</em>always a good sign), who&#8217;ve managed to pull together a tier-1 cap-table:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h-Zm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a64d844-ae0c-4a92-8155-83526935c77c_880x439.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h-Zm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a64d844-ae0c-4a92-8155-83526935c77c_880x439.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/meet-gamma#financials">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>So I spent the past week pulling apart a dozen founder interviews with the co-founders, every funding round, and all numbers they have let slip about how they actually did it.</p><h4><strong>What you'll learn (from the 8 growth levers inside):</strong></h4><ol><li><p><strong>Timing the AI wave:</strong> why Gamma&#8217;s real unlock was Stable Diffusion in mid-2022, months ahead of the ChatGPT boom.</p></li><li><p><strong>Onboarding as the growth loop:</strong> how rebuilding the first 30 seconds of the product took them from a few hundred to 20K signups / day.</p></li><li><p><strong>Charging the moment it clicks:</strong> the hand-typed Stripe link that proved people would pay and made Gamma profitable within 3 months of turning on pricing.</p></li><li><p><strong>The micro-creator flywheel:</strong> why 1,000 small creators drove more than half of Gamma&#8217;s signups, and the 1-to-1.5 word-of-mouth math behind the compounding</p></li><li><p><strong>Building a defensible moat:</strong> what a &#8220;thick wrapper&#8221; actually is and how a team that&#8217;s one-third designers with 0 ML engineers turned it into a real one.</p></li><li><p><strong>Deferring enterprise to stay fast:</strong> why they turned down enterprise money for years to protect its speed and what changed in 2026.</p></li></ol><p>Lets dive in.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>&#128208; </strong><em><strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology:</strong> this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Sourced from founder interviews and talks with both co-founders (Lenny&#8217;s Podcast, a16z, Stanford eCorner, Kleiner Perkins, etc), plus reporting from TechCrunch and Business Wire, the Accel and a16z notes, and estimates from Sacra. Company-reported figures are marked as such. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>From the 16:9 slide &#8594; the AI design partner</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wqZ9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff638717b-1b8f-4920-8a0e-077025bf4bfa_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wqZ9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff638717b-1b8f-4920-8a0e-077025bf4bfa_1638x2048.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://growthindex.startupriders.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;SR30 Growth Index&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://growthindex.startupriders.com/"><span>SR30 Growth Index</span></a></p><p>A little about the market before we get to the growth levers.</p><h3>Where we come from</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 1272w, 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SlideLizard&#174;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Complete History of PowerPoint &amp; Versions (2022) | SlideLizard&#174;" title="Complete History of PowerPoint &amp; Versions (2022) | SlideLizard&#174;" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jfiP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e4541e7-a2e3-4382-b195-b1fa91a14ee9_700x394.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 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<strong>shipped in 1987</strong> and for almost 40 years the category <strong>barely moved.</strong></p><ul><li><p>They <strong>added color in the early 90s</strong>, clip art came and went but the core stayed pretty much the same. As <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/jonnoronha">Jon Noronha</a> puts it Google Slides is <em>&#8220;PowerPoint on the internet&#8221;</em> and Keynote is <em>&#8220;PowerPoint for Mac.&#8221;</em> Which are different platforms but really the same product.</p></li><li><p>Everything <strong>inherited</strong> the fixed 16:9 rectangle <strong>from physical film slides</strong> and a designer-canvas model where you resized boxes and aligned things by hand. But the problem is that most people are not designers so they spend their time decorating <strong>instead of thinking.</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Then Canva</strong> (2013) started winning by handing non-designers templates and by winning the same person across many asset types (turning a monthly user into a weekly one).</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg" width="1348" height="658" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:658,&quot;width&quot;:1348,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nmq0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e82b61c-711f-477c-be46-b3e7db71a8cf_1348x658.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But for startups presentations have mostly been&#8230; difficult:</p><ul><li><p>The TAM was huge (PowerPoint and Google Slides each have hundreds of millions of users) but the use case was <strong>seen as episodic + not sticky.</strong></p></li><li><p>And most importantly (bad for startups), it was <strong>bundled free inside Office</strong> and Workspace (so nobody paid for the slides product directly).</p></li></ul><h3>Where we are</h3><p>2 things really cracked the category open between late 2022 and 2023.</p><ul><li><p><strong>Stable Diffusion (mid-2022)</strong> made instant image generation feel &#8220;magical&#8221; (despite weird hands and fingers and all sorts of hallucinations you&#8217;ve probably seen). Then <strong>ChatGPT (Nov 2022)</strong> created demand for <em>&#8220;what can AI do for me.&#8221;</em> and suddenly the most painful part of a deck (aka the formatting and the decorating) could be <strong>at least in theory automated.</strong></p></li><li><p>The new shape of the product is <em>&#8220;come for the AI, stay for the product&#8221;</em>, where the AI generates the first draft and drives the virality but it is <strong>the underlying tool that drives the retention.</strong></p></li></ul><p>A whole cohort of AI-native tools went after this wedge which you&#8217;ve probably seen:</p><ul><li><p><strong><a href="https://gamma.app/">Gamma</a></strong>, <strong>Tome</strong>, <strong><a href="https://www.beautiful.ai/">Beautiful.ai</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://www.canva.com/newsroom/news/magic-studio/">Canva&#8217;s Magic Studio</a></strong> and others all offering instant fancy decks, and here&#8217;s where Gamma is the one that grew fastest and stayed profitable (as we&#8217;ll see later 70M users and $100M+ ARR on a team of about 50).</p></li><li><p>The incumbents are now bolting AI on too (i.e. Microsoft Copilot inside PowerPoint, Google Gemini inside Slides etc) aka the bundling threat is real and it is coming.</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fees!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2a656-a73d-4acf-b671-22ca7667dd4c_1656x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fees!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2a656-a73d-4acf-b671-22ca7667dd4c_1656x2048.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Where the market is going</h3><p>3 dynamics will likely shape the next 24 months.</p><ol><li><p><strong>The suites bundle harder: </strong>as discussed Microsoft and Google each have millions of users / dominate distribution and can give AI slide features away for free. Gamma&#8217;s bet is that big incumbents cannot change their core product <em><strong>quickly</strong></em> because their buyers are paying for it to stay the same. But, every time the technology shifts that opens a window for a nimble player, Jon (founder) says: &#8220;<em>You either die an obscure startup or live long enough to <strong>fight the big suites</strong>&#8221;</em> </p></li><li><p><strong>Creation goes agentic + multi-format:</strong> they already hit decks, docs, websites, social, and are apparently eyeing video next. As you&#8217;ve probably seen across these products the interface keeps flip-flopping between a tool you click and an agent you talk to (i.e. <a href="https://marketplace.microsoft.com/en-us/product/office/wa200010001?tab=overview">Claude plugin on Powerpoint</a>) and pricing may shift from per-seat to usage-based as the agent does more of the work, we&#8217;ll see.</p></li><li><p><strong>The wrapper question gets answered: </strong>as models commoditize text generation to a large extent the durable &#8220;value&#8221; or moat tends to move to everything around it (experience, clarity, layout, editing, export, brand, human control etc). Thin wrappers die but as we&#8217;ve seen with a few players on startup riders, <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook">thick wrappers can compound</a>, and it goes without saying, the prize is huge (i.e. <strong>PowerPoint alone has a billion-plus users</strong> and is, as Grant says, &#8220;the language of business&#8221;). </p></li></ol><p>That&#8217;s the market in a nutshell, now lets dive into Gamma&#8217;s origin + growth levers:</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 1: The Modern Memo</h1><h3>Late 2020 &#8594; Feb 2023 &#183; $0 &#8594; pre-revenue, signs of PMF</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg" width="900" height="506" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:506,&quot;width&quot;:900,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Another S.F. tech HQ is listed as available - San Francisco Business Times&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Another S.F. tech HQ is listed as available - San Francisco Business Times" title="Another S.F. tech HQ is listed as available - San Francisco Business Times" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CJf9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11471340-ddf0-4945-9a5f-a62a68bf286b_900x506.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2021/02/05/cruise-optimizely-soma-bay-area-exodus.html?__cf_chl_f_tk=G21_sOfb3Y_nexTmCfbnywwD4fFp6.si6nGvlS5SqQ0-1783003301-1.0.1.1-os835pLOPrq78wFeH.WkUnBiT20sBR9b9y3G2wVEPSc">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>3 ex-<a href="https://www.optimizely.com/">Optimizely</a> co-workers <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/grantslee">Grant Lee</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnoronha/">Jon Noronha</a>, and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-f-fox/">James Fox</a>, start building at the end of 2020 (peak pandemic by the way). Grant is a first-time founder living in London pitching investors over Zoom (like half the world at the time) from the corner of a small flat between the kitchenette and the laundry room.</p><p>The product is a &#8220;<em><strong>modern memo</strong></em>&#8221;, basically a doc-and-deck hybrid built on a new primitive they call a card (any height), holds anything, instead of the fixed 16:9 rectangle, and the tagline is <em><strong>write like a doc</strong>, <strong>present like a deck.</strong></em></p><p>By late 2022 they win <a href="https://www.producthunt.com/products/gamma-3/launches/gamma">Product Hunt&#8217;s product of the day, week, and month.</a> Even though it feels like a win it&#8217;s not fully, active users are in the low thousands, &#8220;<em>maybe the hundreds if we&#8217;re being really strict&#8221;</em> according to Jon, with no word of mouth and about <strong>1 year of runway.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.producthunt.com/products/gamma-3/launches/gamma">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The pitch itself was a proof of concept they built as a Gamma prototype (instead of slides) opening with Edward Tufte, PowerPoint&#8217;s most famous hater:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8221;<strong>PowerPoint makes us dumb</strong>&#8221;</em></p></div><p>A16z&#8217;s Alex Danco reading it during Series B diligence 5 years later: </p><blockquote><p><em><a href="https://a16z.com/powerpoint-is-your-therapist-gamma-is-your-coach/">&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever seen a company&#8217;s Seed Round pitch deck include a quote from its subject medium&#8217;s greatest hater.&#8221;</a></em> </p></blockquote><p>The seed was led by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/amysaper/">Amy Saper at Accel</a> (now Uncork capital), who had been a product marketer at Stripe and Twitter who had lived this pain, with <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/28/gamma-brings-in-7m-to-bring-the-slide-deck-into-the-21st-century/">Eric Yuan, Jeff Weiner, and founders at Airtable, Patreon and Segment</a> behind her.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!moDP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2e3e97-ac52-4d49-8132-3cded55d3bd2_1600x899.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://a16z.com/powerpoint-is-your-therapist-gamma-is-your-coach/">Gamma&#8217;s 2020 Pitch Deck</a></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Growth Lever 1: They tested every idea on 20 strangers in under 24 hours.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We would have an idea in the morning... in the afternoon we&#8217;re already running a pretty full scale experiment... by the next day we can go through all of it.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0ngGU5pbM">Grant</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gamma-app_introducing-the-gambassador-council-gamma-activity-7458555501786767361-U8Iq/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Considering the founders came from an A/B testing company, it makes sense that Gamma<strong> had a testing machine </strong>before it had users, but how did they build it?</p><p>They learned the hard way that friends make useless testers (everyone said the product looked great, family is even worse) then Grant checked usage and most had 1 session of about <strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCqZjO0DCyE">5 minutes and never came back</a>.</strong></p><blockquote><p> <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0ngGU5pbM">&#8220;Friends are going to lie to you.&#8221;</a></em></p></blockquote><p>They rebuilt the loop around strangers with &#8220;nothing to gain&#8221;:</p><ul><li><p><strong>They recruited around <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0ngGU5pbM">20 people per test</a></strong> who fit the user profile but had <em>&#8220;0 skin in the game,&#8221;</em> dropped them in with almost no context and had them narrate everything in their head out loud, and you feel exactly where they get lost<strong>.</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>The stack was <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0ngGU5pbM">Voice Panel and UserTesting</a></strong> to source testers on demand (Grant discloses he angel-invested in Voice Panel), plus a private Slack of power users they call <strong>Gammbassadors </strong>(love it), <a href="https://www.upstartsmedia.com/p/gamma-ai-startup-profits">over 1,000 strong today</a>, where every rough prototype landed first.</p></li><li><p><strong>The cadence velocity was important</strong>,<strong> </strong>where an idea would drop in the morning, functional prototype by midday, live study in the afternoon, and a verdict the next day. This apparently happened with everything (landing pages, onboarding, exports, every feature basically).</p></li></ul><p>2 things fell out of this loop before the AI launch:</p><ul><li><p>Testers kept repeating the same words unprompted, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCqZjO0DCyE">&#8220;I suck at PowerPoint,&#8221; &#8220;when it looks ugly, I look bad&#8221;</a>, which told them that the pain was real.</p></li><li><p>And interestingly it showed them exactly where users died which was <strong>usually the first screen</strong>, blank page, unfamiliar tool, gone. Which explains why Product Hunt signups spiked and then flattened, new users were not bringing new users. </p></li></ul><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We could have fooled ourselves into thinking we had product market fit&#8221; (Grant).</em></p></blockquote><h3>Growth Lever 2: They interviewed ~100 people and built for the one pain all of them shared.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Everybody had made a presentation... and they actually all had the same gripes.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjPSrtTxxg">Jon Noronha</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7rDl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7rDl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7rDl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7rDl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7rDl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7rDl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png" width="1456" height="816" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0ec4723c-beb1-4ffc-9046-6c8bcb5c6a7e_1600x897.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:816,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;An image of Yoda and the text: Fear leads to anger. 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But going horizontal can <strong>often be a great way to kill a startup</strong> (so does lack of focus, interestingly Gamma also had 2 different products running in parallel when they started for 6 months!). But Grant has 2 answers for why it didn&#8217;t kill them:</p><ol><li><p>They went wide on the audience but <strong>stayed narrow on the value prop</strong>. His framing at Stanford is that entering a market is like trying to penetrate a balloon, <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7QtkPqamsU">&#8220;be laser focused on just one value prop, don&#8217;t try to spread yourself thin across 10 different things&#8221;</a>.</em> Their one thing was the wedge most shared which is many of us are visual learners and <strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7QtkPqamsU">almost none of us are visual designers</a>.</strong></p></li><li><p>They wanted Gamma to <strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zorJtj1Bgm0">become the new standard</a></strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zorJtj1Bgm0">, the tool everyone defaults to</a>, and you can&#8217;t become the default for everyone by building for &#8220;salespeople only&#8221; for example.</p></li></ol><div><hr></div><h1>Act 2: Flip It On</h1><h3>Mar 2023 &#8594; mid 2024 &#183; $0 &#8594; ~$10M+ ARR</h3><p>The standard story is Gamma added AI and took off but what actually happened was very different and took some hard product trade-off decisions.</p><h3>Growth Lever 3: They bet the whole company on the first 30 seconds + launched it with one &#8220;spicy&#8221; tweet.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We are going to do everything we possibly can to make the first 30 seconds of the product feel magical.&#8221; &#8212; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0ngGU5pbM">Grant</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bkTs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F578dc4ad-1983-45a4-abf2-6c6230e576df_913x508.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 n8n's Growth Playbook: 0 to $100M ARR]]></title><description><![CDATA[How a side project became a $5.2B AI company.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/n8n-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/n8n-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2026 06:04:22 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/913fdb5e-75b7-43f3-97cb-2fc4db2c6bf8_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>&#128075; I&#8217;m </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a><span>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</span></p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jQuQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff211ad8f-fa90-4fdb-8854-d03cf06c366b_1600x1067.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jQuQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff211ad8f-fa90-4fdb-8854-d03cf06c366b_1600x1067.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jQuQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff211ad8f-fa90-4fdb-8854-d03cf06c366b_1600x1067.jpeg 848w, 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This one earned its place.</p><p><span>If you want to test it, </span><strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">I&#8217;ve got a link for a free month</a></strong><span> &#128071;</span></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Get Granola Pro Free for 1 Month&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders"><span>Get Granola Pro Free for 1 Month</span></a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1>&#127754; How N8N grew to $100M ARR</h1><p>Hello there!</p><p>If you have ever played around with &#8220;no-code tools&#8221; like Webflow, Zappier, Make etc, you&#8217;ll enjoy this one on <strong><a href="https://n8n.io/">n8n</a></strong>, the ai agent + workflow automation platform of this &#8220;no-code&#8221; tool 2.0. wave.</p><p>There&#8217;s a few positive anomalies that make this company special. In May of this year <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-12/sap-invests-in-ai-automation-startup-n8n-at-5-2-billion-value">SAP</a> (europe&#8217;s largest software firm) <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">took a stake</a> in n8n at a $5.2 billion valuation and agreed to embed it inside its own AI product.</p><p>Which is double the <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/series-c/">$2.5 billion</a> the company was worth in October 2025, which was already close to 9x the <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/24/fair-code-pioneer-n8n-raises-60m-for-ai-powered-workflow-automation/">~$270 million</a> it was worth in March 2025:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png" width="1456" height="761" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:761,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:212513,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot; Seed $1.5M (Sequoia + firstminute, Mar 2020) &#183; Series A $12M (Felicis, Apr 2021) &#183; Series B &#8364;55M (Highland Europe, Mar 2025) &#183; Series C $180M (Accel, Oct 2025, $2.5B) &#183; SAP strategic (May 2026, $5.2B). Total raised $240M. &#8212; source: Crunchbase / n8n]&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/202094966?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt=" Seed $1.5M (Sequoia + firstminute, Mar 2020) &#183; Series A $12M (Felicis, Apr 2021) &#183; Series B &#8364;55M (Highland Europe, Mar 2025) &#183; Series C $180M (Accel, Oct 2025, $2.5B) &#183; SAP strategic (May 2026, $5.2B). Total raised $240M. &#8212; source: Crunchbase / n8n]" title=" Seed $1.5M (Sequoia + firstminute, Mar 2020) &#183; Series A $12M (Felicis, Apr 2021) &#183; Series B &#8364;55M (Highland Europe, Mar 2025) &#183; Series C $180M (Accel, Oct 2025, $2.5B) &#183; SAP strategic (May 2026, $5.2B). Total raised $240M. &#8212; source: Crunchbase / n8n]" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0EW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03dabaee-1550-4574-816c-39221f8ac288_1688x882.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/n8n-io">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The tool is pronounced &#8220;n-eight-n&#8221; (I miss-pronounced it like 7x <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNXNmH6yRME">on this podcast</a>). If you&#8217;ve built anything with AI agents in the last year you&#8217;ve probably used it. But when I ask around almost nobody knows how it grew (the founder <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/janoberhauser/">Jan Oberhauser</a></strong> barely does interviews).</p><p>For its first 5 years n8n was in <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">Jan&#8217;s own words</a> <em>&#8220;growing okay. Not outstanding. But it felt solid.&#8221;</em> Then it rebuilt itself in 6 weeks and 4x&#8217;d in 8 months. I spent the past week pulling apart every founder interview, funding round, blog post, and filings I could find on how they grew.</p><h2>What you&#8217;ll learn</h2><ul><li><p>How they grew from a side project to $100M+ ARR and a $5.2B valuation</p></li><li><p>The 6-week rebuild that 4x&#8217;d their revenue in 8 months</p></li><li><p>Why they stayed neutral on every AI model and how that became a growth engine</p></li><li><p>How giving the product away for free is what won the enterprise </p></li><li><p>Why they refused to trade power for simplicity (the 80% trap)</p></li><li><p>The &#8220;fair-code&#8221; license fight that kept developers building on it</p></li></ul><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em><strong>&#128208; Quick note on editorial and methodology</strong>: this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). It draws on the founder interviews that exist (Sequoia, Accel, etc.) plus n8n&#8217;s own posts, Sacra, and reporting from Bloomberg, TechCrunch etc. n8n does not disclose revenue, so the ARR figures here are Sacra estimates or the founder&#8217;s own growth multiples. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h1>Turning n8n into &#8220;the Excel for AI&#8221;</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EnpK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fad55fd06-c715-4ef7-94bf-6f975a1d1fce_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EnpK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fad55fd06-c715-4ef7-94bf-6f975a1d1fce_1638x2048.png 424w, 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href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4kIq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe51e269b-141c-442a-8837-d24ee59a841a_1024x538.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4kIq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe51e269b-141c-442a-8837-d24ee59a841a_1024x538.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4kIq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe51e269b-141c-442a-8837-d24ee59a841a_1024x538.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4kIq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe51e269b-141c-442a-8837-d24ee59a841a_1024x538.webp 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Blog&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="History of Zapier: From Y Combinator to $5B Automation Giant | Taskade Blog" title="History of Zapier: From Y Combinator to $5B Automation Giant | Taskade Blog" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4kIq!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe51e269b-141c-442a-8837-d24ee59a841a_1024x538.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4kIq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe51e269b-141c-442a-8837-d24ee59a841a_1024x538.webp 848w, 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href="https://zapier.com/">Zapier</a> by the task to connect your SaaS tools with simple if-this-then-that rules</p></li><li><p>You paid an enterprise integration platform like <a href="https://www.workato.com/">Workato</a> or <a href="https://www.uipath.com/">UiPath</a> a lot more to wire your systems together with the help of a consultant.</p></li></ol><p>Both worked but they both also had a ceiling because simple tools were easy to start with and fell apart the moment your workflow got complicated. The enterprise tools were powerful and priced for a procurement cycle (left curious devs out).</p><p>n8n started in the gap between them. Jan&#8217;s <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">framing</a> of why those simpler tools kept disappointing people is interesting:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The problem with these no-code low-code tools was always that they seem amazing in the beginning, you get a lot of value out of them, but when you want to bring it in production, you&#8217;re at 80% and you think &#8216;I need one or two more things&#8217; and <strong>then you&#8217;re suddenly stuck</strong>. And then all the time you saved, you pay back 5 times to actually get it to production.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h3>Where we are</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3l1_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdbba1668-591f-4f98-ba29-1d69b242e976_1452x542.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3l1_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdbba1668-591f-4f98-ba29-1d69b242e976_1452x542.png 424w, 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According to <a href="https://sacra.com/c/n8n/">Sacra</a>, the company today in 2026 serves <strong>1,400+ enterprise customers</strong> and supports a community of <strong><a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">1.7 million</a> monthly active builders</strong>, with a revenue mix estimated at roughly 55% cloud subscriptions, 30% enterprise licenses, and 15% embedded partnerships. More than <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">80% of workflows</a> built on the platform now <strong>involve AI agents.</strong></p><h3>Where the market is going</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Kaq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff00731c8-d274-46e4-8633-86437ae142cd_1313x607.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Kaq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff00731c8-d274-46e4-8633-86437ae142cd_1313x607.png 424w, 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The rest is non-deterministic where judgment and context shape the answer (triaging a ticket, drafting copy, deciding what to do with an anomaly etc). Most AI tools handle one or the other but n8n is supposedly built to mix code, rules, and agents in the same workflow.</p></li><li><p><strong>Protocols standardize the plumbing:</strong> they <a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">call</a> Model Context Protocol &#8220;the HTTP of AI workflows,&#8221; and sees n8n as the orchestration layer between MCP-connected services, agents, and tools. </p></li><li><p><strong>The hyperscalers circle: </strong><a href="https://sacra.com/c/n8n/">Sacra</a> flags the risks here that I tend to agree as AWS, Google, and Microsoft can bundle workflow automation into their AI services and subsidize it. The counter-move as we&#8217;ll see is the SAP deal and a self-hosting story the hyperscalers might struggle to copy.</p></li></ol><p>Now lets dive into how they grew.</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 1: The Lego Box</h1><h3>Oct 2019 &#8594; 2022 &#183; $0 &#8594; &#8220;growing okay, not outstanding&#8221;</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m9nm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2b2acd1-f6ee-48a2-9d2a-492fe55f8be7_1111x555.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m9nm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2b2acd1-f6ee-48a2-9d2a-492fe55f8be7_1111x555.png 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">n8n website in early 2020</figcaption></figure></div><p>n8n started with a visual effects artist who was bored of doing the same thing twice.</p><p>Jan was a compositor (the person who <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">combines</a> the computer-generated 3D with the filmed footage and makes it look real). He got bored, moved into a more technical role as a pipeline technical director and spent his days <strong>building tools to make the artists around him faster</strong>. </p><p>Which is the job-to-be-done the company seems to comes from:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Those people [were] very smart, very well paid and quite technical, but they were <strong>always reliant on me or other people like myself</strong> to actually do the things they wanted to be done. They could have had so much more impact if they would have been empowered, and they weren&#8217;t. I think n8n is doing exactly that.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>At a <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">later startup</a> he realized he was spending most of his own time rebuilding things that already existed:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I spent probably 90% of my time reimplementing things that have been implemented before. Get something on GitHub, send a message to Slack. Each of those pieces have been implemented millions of times before by almost every developer out there, and this is never the most fun thing to do.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>So he set out to <strong>build a box of reusable Lego blocks</strong> for that plumbing, and free himself to spend time on the part that was actually specific to his problem. </p><p>He built n8n nights and weekends across roughly a year while working at a second startup to pay rent because as he <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">puts it plainly</a>, <em>&#8220;I already had wife and one child back then, so I obviously needed some food and some shelter as well.&#8221;</em> </p><p>He&#8217;d <a href="https://www.eu-startups.com/2026/03/the-eu-startups-podcast-interview-with-jan-oberhauser-founder-and-ceo-of-n8n/">started coding</a> at the beginning of 2018, a soft launch came in June 2019, the proper one in October. The name is actually <strong>a numeronym for &#8220;nodemation</strong>&#8221; (node plus automation), the 8 standing in for the 8 letters between the two n&#8217;s.</p><p>He&#8217;d been <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/13/n8n-a-fair-code-workflow-automation-platform-raises-seed-from-sequoia-as-vc-firm-steps-up-in-europe/">i</a><strong><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/13/n8n-a-fair-code-workflow-automation-platform-raises-seed-from-sequoia-as-vc-firm-steps-up-in-europe/">nvited</a> to Y Combinator and turned it down</strong> because he didn&#8217;t want to leave Berlin or incorporate in Delaware. <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/13/n8n-a-fair-code-workflow-automation-platform-raises-seed-from-sequoia-as-vc-firm-steps-up-in-europe/">Sequoia</a> and firstminute co-led a $1.5M seed in March 2020 anyway, with <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/26/n8n-raises-12m-for-its-fair-code-approach-to-low-code-workflow-automation/">Felicis</a> leading a $12M Series A a year later. By that point the community was around <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">16,000</a> developers.</p><h2>Growth Lever 1: They gave the product away and treated support as the product.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;I knew the product was very imperfect when I launched. The only way you can still make sure people are happy is if you make sure they have the best experience possible when they run into one of those issues.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!beIE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1358d3ad-2b71-42de-b584-fa577e4f5d06_750x612.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!beIE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1358d3ad-2b71-42de-b584-fa577e4f5d06_750x612.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n/pull/94">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The product was free and self-hostable from the start.</p><p>One of the first people Jan he hired was a community person, before it made any obvious financial sense, purely to write documentation, run the forum, answer questions fast etc. He chose a forum over a Slack or Discord on purpose:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;These people have a problem, I answer that question once, maybe 3 times. At least I don&#8217;t have to answer it 50 times. That allowed us to scale.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The bet was that a free product with rough edges plus <strong>genuinely fast, genuinely caring support produces</strong> users who leave a problem feeling <em>better</em> than if they&#8217;d never hit it because they now trust that someone will unblock them, and those users tell other people, they write tutorials, build integrations etc (similar flywheel to the one we ran at Facebook, <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/what-facebook-taught-me-about-building-communities-2026">explained in this playbook</a>).</p><p>The clearest example is a developer named <a href="http://blog.n8n.io/code-contributor-to-integration-developer/">Ricardo</a>, based in the US, who found n8n on Product Hunt at launch, and built one integration for fun. <a href="https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n/pull/94">Jan reviewed it and gave feedback, he built another, and another</a>. In the end he contributed 56 integrations before n8n had the money to pay him. As soon as it did, Jan hired him and he&#8217;s still there, and was for a long time the only n8n engineer in the US.</p><h2>Growth Lever 2: Refused to trade power for simplicity</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We have a steeper learning curve. You can only make the product so simple, because if you make it even simpler, you have to give something up for it, which is flexibility and power. And that was always at the center of n8n.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">Accel</a>)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HowQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4fe651e-8808-42fe-826d-60514c1c6a68_2129x856.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HowQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4fe651e-8808-42fe-826d-60514c1c6a68_2129x856.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://n8n.io/workflows/9200-automate-and-publish-video-ad-campaigns-with-nanobanana-seedream-gpt-4o-veo-3/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Everyone else in the last automation wave chased the same goal which was to get a beginner to their <strong>first working automation in 5 minutes</strong>. But n8n optimized for the other end which is the moment a workflow gets complicated and wouldn&#8217;t sacrifice that power to smooth out the first 5 minutes.</p><p>An example of this, under the drag-and-drop canvas there&#8217;s a real code editor, so when you hit something the buttons can&#8217;t do, you write a line of JavaScript or Python and keep going, whereas Zapier and Make lock the code away and cap you at what their menus allow (so n8n leaves the door open lets say).</p><p>It matters for growth because every easy tool <strong>tends to have the same leak</strong>, which is it wins you in week one, you build something real, you hit its ceiling (the 80% trap), and you <strong>move to a &#8220;proper&#8221; platform</strong>, so the tool that got you loses you right when you technically became &#8220;valuable&#8221;.</p><p>I think their goal was to set the ceiling is high enough that you <strong>never need to leave</strong>, so:</p><ul><li><p>A solo builder and a 500-person enterprise can technically use the same product.</p></li><li><p>The people outgrowing Zapier and Make now move to n8n because there&#8217;s nothing left to &#8220;outgrow&#8221;.</p></li><li><p>And the same canvas that sends for example your first Slack alerts later can run your company&#8217;s AI agents (or at least that&#8217;s their plan now).</p></li></ul><p>As an example imagine a developer finds n8n on GitHub, runs it for free, builds something real, then pushes their company to pay as usage grows. The steeper curve is a side effect of keeping that power available and it self-selects for these people (aka technical enough to build serious things and the ones who get a tool into a Fortune 500).</p><h2>Growth Lever 3: They never changed the rules on the community.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>"I'm not building n8n and giving it away for free because I'm a good person. I actually want to build a business around it. 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>n8n is one of the most-starred projects on GitHub (<a href="https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n">194,000 stars</a>, roughly a <strong>top-40 project globally</strong>), and Jan is careful to never call it open source.</p><p>It didn&#8217;t start clean though as n8n launched under Apache 2.0 with a Commons Clause modifier, which broke the technical definition of open source and made some people unhappy. But instead of fudging it, the founder dropped the words &#8220;open source&#8221; and coined his own term, <strong>&#8220;fair code.&#8221;</strong></p><p>What fair code actually means:</p><ul><li><p>The code is visible and free to use, even in production, even inside a Fortune 500.</p></li><li><p>The one thing you can&#8217;t do is take it and sell a hosted version.</p></li></ul><p>It is a growth lever because <strong>a developer won&#8217;t pour months into building</strong> on a free tool, contributing integrations, and getting their company to standardize on it <strong>unless they trust the rules</strong> won&#8217;t change once they&#8217;re locked in.</p><p>And by 2023 developers had every reason to expect the opposite because a run of open-source companies (i.e. MongoDB, HashiCorp, Redis and others) got big then quietly <strong>changed their license to block cloud providers from reselling them</strong> and their communities turned on them.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;People didn&#8217;t hate it because of the license the companies chose. People were mainly angry because the company changed the rules. So I thought, I&#8217;m just very honest and upfront about it from the very beginning.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">Sequoia</a>)</p></blockquote><p>I imagine that honesty was an unlock because the founder said out loud that <strong>n8n was a business</strong> and would stay free <strong>under clear terms</strong>, so developers built, contributed, and standardized without watching their backs. So the free tier stayed genuinely free, the commercial license funded everything, and there was no betrayal in between.</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 2: Six Weeks</h1><h3>2023 &#8594; Dec 2024 &#183; the rebuild that changed everything</h3><p>By early 2023 n8n was a solid, growing, community-loved dev tool. </p><p>Then Jan got scared:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;When AI came up the first time, I honestly was a bit scared, because what was clear is it&#8217;s changing the whole game. Things I just months before thought would be impossible suddenly became very easy.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">Accel</a>)</p></blockquote><p>What tipped him off was seeing <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">Pinecone raise $30M</a>, which made them ask why a vector database was suddenly so interesting.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What they were in the past, they were the vector database. What they became, they became a deep database for AI. That&#8217;s where I said we have to do something very similar within n8n.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h2>Growth Lever 4: They spent 6 weeks turning n8n into the place you build AI.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;Enhancing the product with AI features would give us a 10, 20, 30% boost, but it wouldn&#8217;t allow us to grow 10X. So we took a step back and realized, if we really want to be successful, we have to allow people to use n8n to build AI applications, to become part of the value chain.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JWJQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45efaaf0-cb60-4424-b9be-8bfe582a45c0_800x550.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JWJQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45efaaf0-cb60-4424-b9be-8bfe582a45c0_800x550.jpeg 424w, 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memory</p></li><li><p><strong>Chain</strong> multiple agents together</p></li><li><p><strong>Wire</strong> all of it to the hundreds of integrations n8n already had</p></li></ul><p>The plumbing AI needs (connect to data, transform it, send it somewhere, trigger something) was the plumbing they had been building for 4 years. From decision to release was about 6 weeks done by <strong>Jan plus &#8220;one and a half&#8221; engineers,</strong> a tiger team on purpose (<em>&#8220;smaller teams are actually much more helpful&#8221;</em>). </p><p>Jan, who calls himself <em>&#8220;not the best coder in the world,&#8221;</em> went back to full-time coding and called it one of the most joyful stretches in years. The result was <strong>revenue quadrupled in the 8 months.</strong></p><p>Apparently the launch was <em>&#8220;underwhelming,&#8221;</em> and the community Jan had spent 4 years building got a bit nervous, <em>&#8220;concerned that the product they loved was being replaced instead of enhanced.&#8221;</em> It took a year of listening and steady building to win them back but in his words: <em>&#8220;It&#8217;s almost like we launched again.&#8221;</em></p><h2>Growth Lever 5: They refused to bet on any model, so every launch helps them.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know what LLM is going to win the race in the end&#8230; But that&#8217;s the great thing about n8n. We don&#8217;t have to care, because you can use whatever is best for your use case.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">Sequoia</a>)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nx_7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc6849387-0b4f-4cbc-992d-f96b767927b5_1202x607.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nx_7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc6849387-0b4f-4cbc-992d-f96b767927b5_1202x607.png 424w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nx_7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc6849387-0b4f-4cbc-992d-f96b767927b5_1202x607.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nx_7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc6849387-0b4f-4cbc-992d-f96b767927b5_1202x607.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nx_7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc6849387-0b4f-4cbc-992d-f96b767927b5_1202x607.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nx_7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc6849387-0b4f-4cbc-992d-f96b767927b5_1202x607.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://n8n.io/workflows/7004-ai-orchestrator-dynamically-selects-models-based-on-input-type/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>n8n connects to every model from every provider and bets on none of them, here&#8217;s why that&#8217;s a growth lever:</p><ol><li><p><strong>The labs do their R&amp;D for them:</strong> burning billions to ship the next model, makes n8n better with every upgrade. </p></li><li><p><strong>Neutrality is usually fatal (except here):</strong> supporting every model means paying for every model&#8217;s inference which sinks most companies but n8n sidesteps the bill entirely because customers plug in their own API keys, so n8n keeps the subscription and doesn&#8217;t pay for a token (that&#8217;s how they hold <a href="https://sacra.com/c/n8n/">75%+ gross margins</a>).</p></li><li><p><strong>Swapping models is easy but leaving n8n isn't so easy:</strong> a cheaper or better model comes out, the customer changes one setting and every workflow they built keeps working. So they switch models whenever they want, and n8n is the thing that stays underneath all of it. So while the labs fight each other on price n8n keeps the subscription either way.</p></li><li><p><strong>Fragmentation is a tailwind:</strong> because more models, more providers, more tools means more stitching, and stitching is the job. Over <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">80% of workflows</a> on the platform already run AI agents and the messier AI gets, the more you need the neutral layer holding it together.</p></li></ol><h2>Growth Lever 6: They deleted their lead-generation goal and let the community pull in the enterprise.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We removed the lead goal. We exchanged it with an adoption [goal] of large organizations, went all in in the community.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">Sequoia</a>)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg" width="1200" height="801" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:801,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;n8n fest 2025&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="n8n fest 2025" title="n8n fest 2025" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P5CG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d26c998-326c-4add-92fb-431bce0b8f4f_1200x801.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">Felicis</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>n8n&#8217;s marketing team apparently had always been measured on leads but the problem was that the team was <strong>great at adoption</strong> but <strong>always fell short on leads</strong>. So they kept pulling effort out of community growth to hit a lead target, which killed the long-term compounding. They decided to remove the goal entirely.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter for me if we have 10 or 20 million less ARR end of this year. What matters is <strong>we keep to the market</strong>.&#8221;</em> (Jan, Slush fireside)</p></blockquote><p>The logic underneath is a sequencing claim about how you actually reach the enterprise:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Through the smallest builders, we get into the largest organizations. If you focus very heavily on enterprise only, you can never go downwards again. Google started the same way. Microsoft as well.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>So they fed the top of the funnel with <strong>events</strong>, <strong>content</strong>, and <strong>community programs.</strong> The flywheel that did the real work was creators, as the <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">Felicis profile</a> puts it, community members started making <strong>YouTube</strong> and <strong>LinkedIn</strong> content about building AI on n8n, and:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;the more content people create, the more other people want to create content, the better it gets ranked, and then everything started to explode.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1>Act 3: The Excel of AI</h1><h3>Jan 2025 &#8594; today &#183; 10x revenue, $270M &#8594; $5.2B valuation</h3><p>In 2025 users grew <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/series-c/">6x and revenue 10x</a> in 1 year. Jan <a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">told Sequoia</a> the company added 4 times the revenue in 8 months that the first 5 or 6 years had built. <a href="https://sacra.com/c/n8n/">Sacra</a> estimated ARR around $40M by mid-year, and it has since crossed <a href="https://www.arr.club/n8n/n8n-arr-hit-100m-valued-at-5-2b">&#8364;100M+</a> post-SAP.</p><p>The money followed. A &#8364;55M Series B (Highland Europe, ~&#8364;270M), then a $180M Series C (Accel, $2.5B, with Nvidia&#8217;s venture arm joining), then <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">SAP at $5.2B</a>. </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What was Excel 15 years ago for spreadsheets, n8n should become the same for AI. Empowering everybody to use AI to the fullest, from private use cases, to SMBs, to the largest enterprises, up to government organizations.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">Accel</a>)</p></blockquote><h2>Growth Lever 7: The community pre-built 10K workflows, became the onboarding + top of funnel.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We wanted to fix the &#8216;blank canvas problem&#8217;... somebody coming into our tool and wondering where to go from there or what to automate first.&#8221;</em> (Tanay Pant, n8n&#8217;s Head of Developer Relations, <a href="https://www.buildwithusers.com/p/how-n8n-builds-product-with-their-community">2021</a>)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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search like &#8220;n8n Notion sync&#8221; or &#8220;build an AI agent that does X.&#8221; So the community writes them, n8n&#8217;s search footprint grows without n8n paying for content. Whole third-party sites now exist just to re-host n8n templates for the traffic.</p></li><li><p><strong>They pay people to feed the library:</strong> they run a creator and affiliate program so contributors get featured and earn for submitting templates. The library grows faster than any in-house team could write it, and the people building templates become the people selling n8n for them.</p></li><li><p><strong>It caught the AI-agent search wave at the moment of intent: </strong>when everyone started searching &#8220;how do I build an agent that does X&#8221; they already had a template for X. </p></li></ol><p>Also interesting, today over <a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">80% of workflows</a> on the platform now run AI agents.</p><h2>Growth Lever 8: They let companies keep it fully in-house, which won the buyers who won't touch the cloud (including SAP)</h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;It&#8217;s more or less a difference between renting and owning. You really own it, and you can decide what&#8217;s important and how you want to move forward.&#8221;</em> (Jan, <a href="https://www.eu-startups.com/2026/03/the-eu-startups-podcast-interview-with-jan-oberhauser-founder-and-ceo-of-n8n/">EU-Startups</a>)</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8uZQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8uZQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8uZQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8uZQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8uZQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8uZQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png" width="1024" height="683" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d3e087d8-deeb-46a7-9cd9-381bfd553e6b_1024x683.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:683,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;n8n &#215; 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For the most regulated buyers that&#8217;s a critical purchasing factor:</p><ul><li><p>Pure SaaS: the vendor can switch you off and your data lives somewhere you don&#8217;t control.</p></li><li><p>Self-hosted n8n: you own it, you run it, nobody outside can touch it.</p></li></ul><p>Jan calls that control <em><a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">&#8220;the difference between running AI in production and not running it at all.&#8221;</a></em> Its a growth lever because it wins customers cloud-only rival can&#8217;t:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.eu-startups.com/2026/03/the-eu-startups-podcast-interview-with-jan-oberhauser-founder-and-ceo-of-n8n/">Ministries of defense</a>, the <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/series-c/">United Nations</a>, banks, Vodafone, Delivery Hero, Microsoft etc.</p></li><li><p>The biggest budgets with the lowest tolerance for risk.</p></li></ul><p>SAP made the same call, at scale:</p><ul><li><p>It&#8217;s the back office for <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">99 of the 100</a> biggest companies on earth, all needing AI they can run on mission-critical paths with full control and audit trails.</p></li><li><p>A cloud-only AI tool can&#8217;t sit there.</p></li><li><p>So SAP is <a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">embedding n8n</a> inside Joule Studio (GA <a href="https://tech.eu/2026/05/12/n8n-s-valuation-doubles-to-5-2bn-following-sap-strategic-investment/">Q3 2026</a>) and <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-12/sap-invests-in-ai-automation-startup-n8n-at-5-2-billion-value">invested</a> at $5.2B, around <strong><a href="https://www.trendingtopics.eu/sap-bets-big-on-ai-invests-in-n8n-at-a-5-2-billion-valuation/">&#8364;60M</a> for just under 1.3%.</strong></p></li></ul><p>For n8n this is <strong>enterprise distribution</strong> (SAP hands it to the world&#8217;s largest companies), and n8n hands SAP an <strong>orchestration layer</strong> it didn&#8217;t want to build.</p><p>Lets see where the company goes next, excited to see them grow (from Europe!).</p><div><hr></div><h1>5 Growth Lessons</h1><p>My favorite take-aways:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Built for the pain they lived:</strong> it was born out of one VFX engineer&#8217;s frustration (&#8221;smart people, always reliant on me&#8221;) + going deep + iterating fast.</p></li><li><p><strong>Let the product build AI:</strong> adding an AI feature was the 30% move but becoming the place people build AI was the 10x move, they rebuilt for it in 6 weeks.</p></li><li><p><strong>Stayed neutral on the bet everyone else was making: </strong>nobody knows which model wins so they bet on none of them and every launch makes it stronger now.</p></li><li><p><strong>Deleted the metric that was eating or distracting them from their best channel:</strong> killed the lead-gen target and ate probably a bunch of ARR (hard trade-off) to keep feeding the community which was the thing actually compounding.</p></li><li><p><strong>Sold ownership: </strong><em><strong>&#8220;</strong>You own it and nobody can switch it off&#8221;</em> was a big accelerant.</p></li></ol><p>n8n now joins the $100M ARR Breakout Club, see the full <a href="https://growthindex.startupriders.com/">Startup Riders Growth Index</a> of the fastest-growing private tech companies past $100M ARR.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://growthindex.startupriders.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;SR30 Growth Index&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://growthindex.startupriders.com/"><span>SR30 Growth Index</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>That&#8217;s it for this week friends!</p><p>Cheers, </p><p>Ivan</p><p><em>P.s. If you want to help me out, the best thing you can do is share my work. &#128591;</em></p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#128640; Building something in this space? We invest <strong>&#8364;100K-3M at pre-seed</strong> and seed. If you&#8217;re raising or know someone who is, please send us your deck via <strong>DM</strong>.</p></div><h1>&#128218; Bibliography</h1><ul><li><p><a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">Sequoia </a><em><a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">Training Data</a></em><a href="https://sequoiacap.com/podcast/training-data-jan-oberhauser/">, Jan Oberhauser with George Robson &amp; Pat Grady</a></p></li><li><p>Accel <em>Spotlight On</em>, &#8220;Building the Excel of AI,&#8221; Jan Oberhauser, Oct 2025 (<a href="https://www.accel.com/podcast-episodes/bonus-n8ns-jan-oberhauser-on-building-the-excel-of-ai">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>EU-Startups Podcast, Jan Oberhauser, Mar 2026 (<a href="https://www.eu-startups.com/2026/03/the-eu-startups-podcast-interview-with-jan-oberhauser-founder-and-ceo-of-n8n/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrl4XskEHwo&amp;t=1s">Slush fireside, Jan Oberhauser with Ben Fletcher (Accel), Nov 2025</a></p></li><li><p>n8n, &#8220;We just raised $180m&#8221; (Series C), Oct 9 2025 (<a href="https://blog.n8n.io/series-c/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>n8n, &#8220;Announcing SAP&#8217;s strategic investment,&#8221; May 12 2026 (<a href="https://blog.n8n.io/n8n-sap/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>n8n GitHub repository (name origin, stars) (<a href="https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>Felicis, &#8220;Becoming Essential to the AI Revolution,&#8221; Apr 7 2026 (<a href="https://www.felicis.com/blog/how-jan-oberhauser-and-n8n-became-essential-to-the-ai-revolution">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>Bloomberg, &#8220;SAP Invests in AI Automation Startup n8n at $5.2 Billion Value,&#8221; (<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-12/sap-invests-in-ai-automation-startup-n8n-at-5-2-billion-value">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>Tech.eu, &#8220;n8n&#8217;s valuation doubles to $5.2bn,&#8221; May 2026 (<a href="https://tech.eu/2026/05/12/n8n-s-valuation-doubles-to-5-2bn-following-sap-strategic-investment/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>ARR Club, &#8220;n8n ARR hit $100M, valued at $5.2B,&#8221; May 13 2026 (<a href="https://www.arr.club/n8n/n8n-arr-hit-100m-valued-at-5-2b">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch, &#8220;Fair-code pioneer n8n raises $60M,&#8221; Mar 24 2025 (<a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/24/fair-code-pioneer-n8n-raises-60m-for-ai-powered-workflow-automation/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch, n8n raises $12M Series A, Apr 26 2021 (<a href="https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/26/n8n-raises-12m-for-its-fair-code-approach-to-low-code-workflow-automation/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch, n8n raises seed from Sequoia, Mar 13 2020 (<a href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/13/n8n-a-fair-code-workflow-automation-platform-raises-seed-from-sequoia-as-vc-firm-steps-up-in-europe/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>trendingtopics.eu, SAP deal mechanics, May 2026 (<a href="https://www.trendingtopics.eu/sap-bets-big-on-ai-invests-in-n8n-at-a-5-2-billion-valuation/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>Sacra, n8n revenue, valuation &amp; funding (<a href="https://sacra.com/c/n8n/">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>The Hacker News, npm supply-chain attack on n8n, Jan 2026 (<a href="https://thehackernews.com/2026/01/n8n-supply-chain-attack-abuses.html">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>The Hacker News, n8n webhooks abused for phishing, Apr 2026 (<a href="https://thehackernews.com/2026/04/n8n-webhooks-abused-since-october-2025.html">link</a>)</p></li><li><p>The Hacker News, critical n8n RCE flaws (Pillar Security), Mar 2026 (<a href="https://thehackernews.com/2026/03/critical-n8n-flaws-allow-remote-code.html">link</a>)</p></li></ul><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Synthesia's Growth Playbook: $0 → $150M ARR]]></title><description><![CDATA[The 8 growth levers behind the enterprise AI video leader]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/synthesia-revenue-growth</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/synthesia-revenue-growth</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2026 06:17:51 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Durs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1365bd91-9448-4dd3-9d03-6e95e680ee3c_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow. </p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aept!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F910f7240-7f92-4e3f-955e-d6a12db2f2e1_1354x960.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aept!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F910f7240-7f92-4e3f-955e-d6a12db2f2e1_1354x960.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aept!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F910f7240-7f92-4e3f-955e-d6a12db2f2e1_1354x960.webp 848w, 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Building a video-AI company in 2017 was a true contrarian bet and the <strong>timing</strong> is a big part of why they&#8217;re so far ahead now.</p><p>Also, apparently &gt;<strong>90% of the Fortune 100</strong> now pays for their technology, surprising after all the drama surrounding &#8220;deepfake tech&#8221; over the past few years.</p><p>They have a <strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMhhrvpzTQ">140%+ net revenue retention</a></strong>, meaning their average customer spends 40% more every year after they&#8217;ve bought. Their cap-table is equally impressive:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!idUw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06bd6a17-ffcd-4684-a499-a40c86c4f3a8_1730x1062.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!idUw!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06bd6a17-ffcd-4684-a499-a40c86c4f3a8_1730x1062.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!idUw!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06bd6a17-ffcd-4684-a499-a40c86c4f3a8_1730x1062.png 848w, 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feature</p></li><li><p>The 140% NRR engine hiding inside translation</p></li><li><p>Why the CEO says they won the enterprise with the non-AI things</p></li></ul><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#128208; <strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology:</strong>  this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). It draws on 18 founder and operator interviews and long-form podcasts, plus the UK Companies filings and reporting from CNBC, MIT Technology and others. All revenue figures sourced, treat estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>From deepfake panic &#8594; enterprise utility</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Durs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1365bd91-9448-4dd3-9d03-6e95e680ee3c_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Durs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1365bd91-9448-4dd3-9d03-6e95e680ee3c_1638x2048.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>A little about how this market evolved before we get to the growth levers:</p><h3>Where we come from</h3><p>In the fall of 2016 a research paper called Face2Face showed a neural network puppeteering a real person&#8217;s face in real time, work that would have taken (in the CEO&#8217;s estimate) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnwO_f93AEI">3 months and 10 people in a Hollywood VFX studio</a>. </p><p>2 Danish operators, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorriparbelli/">Victor Riparbelli</a> (World of Warcraft player as a youngster, wild how this pattern repeats across outlier founders) and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/steffentjerrild/">Steffen Tjerrild</a>, saw it, quit their jobs, and recruited the professor behind the paper (<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-niessner-a0a43a48/">Matthias Niessner</a>, then Stanford, later TUM) plus UCL&#8217;s <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lourdes-agapito-b025812b/">Lourdes Agapito</a>.</p><p>Back then the world looked at the technology and reached a different conclusion:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The public saw deepfakes:</strong> consumer face-swap apps like Reface racked up <a href="http://%E2%9A%A0%EF%B8%8Flinkhttps://reface.ai/blog/100m-installs-and-keep-counting-89997c99b68/">100M+ downloads</a>, journalists wrote panic pieces, and Victor recalls investors asking him &#8220;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnwO_f93AEI">why the hell he would start a deepfake company</a>&#8221;.</p></li><li><p><strong>Hollywood saw a toy:</strong> they saw de-aging actors and resurrecting Princess Leia as useful for a handful of $200M productions a year, meh.</p></li><li><p><strong>Investors saw a lawsuit generator</strong>, roughly 100 of them in Europe and the US.</p></li></ul><p>So the panic is what probably made the market cheap to enter, nobody &#8220;serious&#8221; wanted to build a business on the most distrusted technology in AI (contrarian).</p><h3>Where we are</h3><p>AI video split in 2, on one side the spectacle models (Sora, Veo) that generate anything and live in your feed, and on the other the workflow products companies actually run on, where Synthesia owns the second category with <a href="https://www.synthesia.io/post/series-e-200-million-4-billion-valuation-future-work">65,000+ customers and 90%+ of the Fortune 100</a>. Their neighbors:</p><ul><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.heygen.com/">HeyGen</a></strong> is the closest pure rival at <a href="https://sacra.com/c/heygen/">~$95M ARR</a>, skewed to creators and SMBs, now moving upmarket.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.colossyan.com/">Colossyan</a></strong> ($22M Series A) and <strong><a href="https://www.wix.com/press-room/home/post/wix-acquires-hour-one-to-expand-generative-ai-capabilities-and-accelerate-product-innovation">Hour One</a></strong> (~$20M raised, acquired by Wix) are an order of magnitude smaller.</p></li><li><p><strong>Adobe and Vimeo</strong> are bolting AI onto camera-era tools, and Adobe <a href="https://www.synthesia.io/post/100-million-revenue-adobe-investment">took a strategic stake in Synthesia</a> the same day the $100M ARR announcement went out (more on Adobe in Act 3).</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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The Google Ventures partner who led the Series E <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMhhrvpzTQ">describes</a> them as an AI company with 2021-SaaS economics:</p><blockquote><p> <em>&#8220;Really great growth, but <strong>really great margins</strong> and really <strong>solid retention</strong>.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><h3>Where the market is going</h3><p>The fight is shifting from video you watch to video you &#8220;talk to&#8221; and 3 things will shape the next couple of years I think:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The frontier labs commoditize the pixels:</strong> rather than fight Sora 2 and Veo 3.1, Synthesia <em><strong>embeds them inside its own editor</strong></em> for B-roll and keeps the workflow.</p></li><li><p><strong>The interface shifts from playback to conversation:</strong> their new <a href="https://www.synthesia.io/features/video-agents">Skills product </a>puts an agent at the end of a training video that role-plays an objecting customer with your sales rep and scores the exchange (funnily enough I actually started building that <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/pitch-deck-gpt-training-gpts-assistant">product a couple years back</a>). It&#8217;s apparently in beta.</p></li><li><p><strong>Trust becomes regulated table stakes:</strong> provenance standards and AI acts favor whoever already built the compliance stack, and (as we&#8217;ll see in Lever 6) Synthesia started building theirs in 2017 (again, vision!).</p></li></ul><p>Victor&#8217;s bet on formats is worth keeping in mind throughout. He thinks <a href="%E2%9A%A0%EF%B8%8Flink">Hollywood adopts AI video last</a>, the same way drum machines were built to replace drummers and instead invented house music.</p><p>Now to Synthesia&#8217;s origin and the <strong>8 growth levers </strong>to a $4B valuation:</p><h2>Act 1: The Wilderness</h2><p><strong>Apr 2017 &#8594; mid 2020 &#183; $0 &#8594; &lt;$1M revenue</strong></p><p>Their initial pitch was that in 10 years you&#8217;ll <em><strong>make a Hollywood film from your laptop</strong></em>. Victor was 25 (not an AI researcher), not even a software developer, and they ran on personal savings and maxed credit cards.</p><p>After ~100 rejections, one name was left on their list. Mark Cuban, who had built broadcast.com in the first internet-radio wave and (it turned out) had personally implemented the Face2Face paper at home. </p><p>Steffen found Cuban&#8217;s private Gmail inside the Sony Pictures hack data dump (which anyone could download at the time, wild), and sent a <strong>short cold email</strong> with a video of the tech:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png" width="554" height="234.584375" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:542,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:554,&quot;bytes&quot;:279788,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c5NT!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa6b4026e-93b6-41a2-b4a3-ec040b4e6dc7_1280x542.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Ramp: $0 → $1B+ Revenue in 6 Years]]></title><description><![CDATA[The growth playbook behind the $44B fintech that helps you spend less.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/ramp-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/ramp-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2026 05:01:57 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3I4q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb60d3cfa-3973-43a7-9f51-41ea1c486e7e_960x640.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3I4q!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb60d3cfa-3973-43a7-9f51-41ea1c486e7e_960x640.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3I4q!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb60d3cfa-3973-43a7-9f51-41ea1c486e7e_960x640.jpeg 848w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b60d3cfa-3973-43a7-9f51-41ea1c486e7e_960x640.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:640,&quot;width&quot;:960,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Ramp founder Eric Glyman: How I built a $22.5 billion startup in 2,367 days  | Fortune&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Ramp founder Eric Glyman: How I built a $22.5 billion startup in 2,367 days  | Fortune" title="Ramp founder Eric Glyman: How I built a $22.5 billion startup in 2,367 days  | Fortune" 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Granola is an AI notepad. You jot down what matters during the call, and Granola uses your notes plus the transcript to generate summaries, action items, and next steps from your point of view. The powerful part: you can chat with your notes. Write follow-up emails, pull out decisions, prep for your next meeting &#8212; all in seconds.</p><p>I don&#8217;t promote tools lightly. This one earned its place.</p><p>If you want to test it, <strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">use this link for 1 free month</a></strong>.</p></blockquote><div><hr></div><p>Hello there!</p><p>It&#8217;s been an interesting week to be a corporate card company. This week <strong><a href="https://ramp.com/">Ramp</a></strong> announced a <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-raises-series-f-at-44-billion-valuation-302791103.html">$750M Series F at a $44 billion valuation</a>, capping a run from $0 to over <strong>$1B in annualized revenue in 6 years.</strong> Just a couple months earlier Brex, the rival that beat them to market by 2 years <a href="https://www.capitalone.com/about/newsroom/capital-one-completes-acquisition-of-brex/">closed its sale to Capital One for $5.15 billion</a> (a 58% discount to its peak valuation). </p><p>Two companies fought over the same customers with the same product for 6 years and one of them is <strong>now worth 8.5x</strong> what the other sold for, with quite the cap table:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/ramp-financial#financials">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>There&#8217;s also a poetic detail in here that almost nobody mentions which is that the <strong>founders sold their first startup to Capital One</strong>, worked there, and left in 2019 to build Ramp.</p><p>So I spent the past week pulling apart 20 founder and operator interviews, every funding round since 2019, every blog post and leaked detail about how they&#8217;ve grown.</p><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn</strong></p><ul><li><p>The interchange math that pays for software Ramp gives away for free</p></li><li><p>How a team of 8 engineers built an Amex competitor in 3 months</p></li><li><p>The down round they took on purpose while revenue 3x&#8217;d</p></li><li><p>The internal panic when they finally started charging for software</p></li><li><p>Why direct mail (of all things) became one of their biggest channels</p></li><li><p>The honest math under $44B (take rates, float, regulation, and the $700B government contract fight)</p></li></ul><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#128208; <strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology:</strong> this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). It draws on 20 founder and operator interviews and long-form podcasts (Invest Like the Best, 20VC etc), plus Ramp&#8217;s own posts and reporting from TechCrunch, Bloomberg, etc. All revenue figures sourced. Reported revenue is an annualized run-rate figure, so treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>From expense reports &#8594; autonomous finance</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:3433964,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Ramp: $0 to $1B+ annualized revenue, March 2019 to June 2026. Valuation path: $8.1B &#8594; $5.8B (the down round, on purpose) &#8594; $44B.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/200731475?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Ramp: $0 to $1B+ annualized revenue, March 2019 to June 2026. Valuation path: $8.1B &#8594; $5.8B (the down round, on purpose) &#8594; $44B." title="Ramp: $0 to $1B+ annualized revenue, March 2019 to June 2026. Valuation path: $8.1B &#8594; $5.8B (the down round, on purpose) &#8594; $44B." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRiK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d1023a3-5641-4809-b9af-1108dd40b5d3_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Ramp: $0 to $1B+ annualized revenue, 2019&#8211;2026. Valuation: $8.1B &#8594; $5.8B (the down round) &#8594; $44B. All figures sourced, annualized run-rates.</figcaption></figure></div><p>A little about how this market evolved before we get to the growth levers:</p><h3>Where we come from</h3><p>For decades business spend ran on 2 tools that barely spoke to each other, a corporate card from a bank like Amex or Chase that made more money the more you spent + expense software like <strong><a href="https://www.concur.com/">Concur</a></strong> (still gives me nightmares) or <strong><a href="https://www.expensify.com/">Expensify</a></strong> that you paid for by the seat. On one hand the issuer wanted volume and on the other the software vendor wanted seats, so the <strong>finance team was left stitching the 2</strong> together by hand every month.</p><p>Then a wave of startups tried to merge the card and the software into one platform, and for a while it looked like one of them would run the table:</p><ul><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.brex.com/">Brex</a></strong> launched in 2017 and led with instant-approval cards for startups and became the defining spend story (reaching <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/11/brex-confirms-12-3b-valuation-hires-meta-exec-to-serve-as-its-chief-product-officer/">$12.3B valuation in January 2022, and yes later slashing it to 5B)</a>.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.bill.com/">Bill</a></strong>, public since 2019, <a href="https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001786352/000119312521178541/d189628dex991.htm">bought Divvy for $2.5B in 2021</a> to bolt spend management onto its bill-pay network.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://navan.com/">Navan</a></strong> came at it from the travel-and-expense side and raised at a <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/12/oh-look-tripactions-raised-at-a-9-2b-valuation-after-reported-12b-ipo-filing/">$9.2B valuation in 2022</a>, and pushed into corporate cards and spend from there.</p></li></ul><p>The category had a name (<strong>spend management</strong>) and a clear leader in Brex.</p><h3>Where we are</h3><p>2 things broke that order between 2022 and 2026. The first was rates going up, and once money stopped being free the fintechs that had raised at 2021 marks could no longer grow into them. 2 different things happened depending on which side of the Atlantic you were on:</p><p>The US cohort played for winner-take-all:</p><ul><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.brex.com/">Brex</a></strong> defended its $12.3B valuation and then <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/22/capital-one-acquires-brex-for-steep-discount-to-its-peak-valuation-but-early-believers-are-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/">sold to Capital One for $5.15B in January 2026</a> (58% discount to its peak).</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://navan.com/">Navan</a></strong> <a href="https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/skmvcdgjbl">IPO&#8217;d in October 2025 at a $6.21B implied valuation</a> (below private mark).</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.insightpartners.com/portfolio/divvy">Divvy</a></strong> disappeared inside <strong><a href="https://www.bill.com/">Bill</a></strong> (market cap <a href="https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/43080-85">$3.5B</a>).</p></li></ul><p>The European cohort played smaller and mostly survived:</p><ul><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.pleo.io/">Pleo</a></strong> <a href="https://tech.eu/2021/12/09/smb-expense-management-platform-pleo-picks-up-200-million-now-at-4-7-billion-valuation/">hit $4.7B in 2021</a> before its own investor <a href="https://tech.eu/2024/04/24/pleo-backers-snap-up-secondary-shares/">marked it to around $2.3B by 2024</a>.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://payhawk.com/">Payhawk</a></strong> (Sofia) is the one still climbing, $1B in 2021 and <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-07/fintech-payhawk-seeks-2-billion-valuation-in-new-funding-round">reportedly raising toward $2B in 2026</a>.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.spendesk.com/">Spendesk</a></strong> (Paris) reached profitability rather than chasing the next mark.</p></li></ul><p>The second thing that happened was <strong>Ramp</strong> going the other way from everyone, taking a 28% markdown on purpose in August 2023, compounding all the way through the downturn, and re-rating from $5.8B to $44B.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Iq1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32f5bcd6-0ad3-4448-a2a9-5610c56f55c9_1626x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Iq1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32f5bcd6-0ad3-4448-a2a9-5610c56f55c9_1626x2048.png 424w, 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They sit invisible to every legacy finance tool so whoever builds the layer that sees them has a real claim on the next decade of corporate spend.</p></li><li><p><strong>Consolidation keeps running:</strong> With Brex gone and Divvy absorbed the independent field is thin and the survivors will keep buying whatever is left.</p></li></ul><p>Now to Ramp&#8217;s origin and the 9 levers:</p><h2>Act 1: The Anti-Points Card</h2><p><strong>March 2019 &#8594; March 2022 &#183; $0 &#8594; $100M+ annualized revenue</strong></p><p>In 2016, Capital One <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/06/capital-one-acquires-online-price-tracker-paribus/">acquired Paribus</a>, a price-tracker built by 2 Harvard classmates, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/eglyman/">Eric</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/karimatiyeh/">Karim</a>, that had saved consumers over $100M by automatically claiming refunds when prices dropped. They stayed long enough to make the acquisition work and then left in March 2019 with one of their Paribus engineers, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/genejaelee/">Gene Lee</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TQeS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2cdaa8c-e0a8-447f-8200-256749b950b5_1600x900.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TQeS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa2cdaa8c-e0a8-447f-8200-256749b950b5_1600x900.jpeg 424w, 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Glyman confirmed the story on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtYFbDfHHrQ">My First Million</a> (well worth your time listening to the episode), and their founding engineer later looked it up and found that no New York company had ever hit $1B inside 3 years, let alone 18 months.</p><p>They got there in roughly 2 years, which is close enough, with the aim to <strong>&#8220;build a technology-driven financial services company&#8221;</strong> (email from Karim to Founders Fund in 2019):</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xCPT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa251733c-790e-42bd-9b6f-9111337289d2_666x287.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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They interviewed around 100 entrepreneurs and finance leaders before launch and found something better than the original idea which is that <strong>people hated expense reports</strong> (I can vouch for that) even more than they hated wasted spend. </p><h3>Lever 1: They made money when clients spent, and won them by helping clients spend less</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;The traditional corporate card world was all about excess. When I asked people what they wanted? It wasn&#8217;t points or cash back, it was money in their bank.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e0t8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1460f7a5-1243-4c62-9a45-7dffd1b9f6f8_2048x1327.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e0t8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1460f7a5-1243-4c62-9a45-7dffd1b9f6f8_2048x1327.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e0t8!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1460f7a5-1243-4c62-9a45-7dffd1b9f6f8_2048x1327.png 848w, 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The whole industry built points, rewards, lounges and steak dinners on top of that incentive, anything to make you swipe. Glyman on Stripe&#8217;s Cheeky Pint said:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We entered into this industry where it was very profitable, but not only was it misaligned, but people were fighting over basis points.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Ramp kept the revenue model (interchange) BUT inverted the promise:</p><ul><li><p><strong>No points, no rewards theater</strong>, just 1.5% flat cashback and a pitch that they will supposedly help you spend less</p></li><li><p><strong>Savings insights as the product</strong>, flagging duplicate SaaS subscriptions and unused seats (i.e. you&#8217;re paying for 200 Asana seats but only 100 people log in, which they detect from Okta data, etc).</p></li><li><p><strong>A public number to anchor it</strong> (claim to save the average business about 5% per year).</p></li></ul><p>Spending less sounds like revenue suicide for a company paid per dollar spent but the bet was that it works the other way around. Every dollar Ramp saves a customer <strong>buys trust</strong>, and trust is what gets a finance team to route more of its total spend through you. You lose basis points per dollar and win all the dollars.</p><p>Hold onto the word <strong>subsidy</strong> (give away the thing your rivals charge for, get paid on the flow underneath it). In Act 3 we&#8217;ll look at what that trade actually costs though.</p><h3>Lever 2: They gave the software away and let the card pay for it</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We&#8217;re a corporate card and we are the fastest growing corporate card in America, but we&#8217;re actually a productivity company.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Eric Glyman, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04k2fFdZPmE">20VC with Keith Rabois</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!poOI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5aaf56d4-70fc-46e6-b44e-377978fe693b_666x437.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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That slice supposedly pays for everything else, which is why the software is free:</p><ul><li><p>Expense reports, receipt scanning, bill pay, approvals, accounting that updates itself</p></li><li><p>No per-user fees, contracts, interest, or late fees</p></li><li><p>The tools Expensify, Bill.com, and Concur charge for, they give away to anyone who spends on the card</p></li></ul><p>The more spending crosses the card the more Ramp earns, so its job is to <strong>capture as much of a company&#8217;s card spending as it can</strong>. As Glyman put it:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;if you want to grow interchange, grow purchase volume.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>That sounds like it contradicts Lever 1, but the two measure different things:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Spending less is about the total bill</strong>, the duplicate subscriptions and unused seats Ramp cuts. </p></li><li><p><strong>Growing</strong> <strong>volume</strong> is about how much of the spending you were doing anyway runs across Ramp&#8217;s card instead of an Amex or a bank wire. Ramp pitches shrinking your total spend and grows its own volume at once, because the volume comes from taking share off the incumbents (not making you buy more).</p></li></ol><p>As you can imagine this is probably <strong>pretty brutal to compete with</strong>, because a rival charging monthly for expense software now faces the same thing for free, basically funded by a card fee they can&#8217;t touch.</p><p>By March 2022, 2 years after launch, they were doing <a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramp-at-1-billion">$100M a year</a> with 100 to 200 employees, and Founders Fund valued it at <strong>$8.1B just before the market turned.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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It shapes every process and team ritual. It&#8217;s how we develop our people. It&#8217;s our solution to nearly every problem.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Geoff Charles, VP Product</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eYRD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b353f07-4067-46af-808f-07700f7efa2d_1200x630.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eYRD!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b353f07-4067-46af-808f-07700f7efa2d_1200x630.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eYRD!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b353f07-4067-46af-808f-07700f7efa2d_1200x630.png 848w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramping-up">Lenny&#8217;s Newsletter ft Ramp&#8217;s VP Product</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>One of Ramp&#8217;s most important edges is <strong>shipping product faster</strong> than most in finance, their numbers are almost hard to believe:</p><ul><li><p>It reached <a href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-ramp-builds-product">$100M in annual revenue with fewer than 50 engineers and fewer than 5 product managers</a></p></li><li><p>One small team built a competitor to Bill.com in 3 months (pre vibe coding)</p></li><li><p>It cloned the core products of AmEx, Expensify, Concur, and Bill.com and gave them away free, each built by a pod of 3-5 engineers</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith/">Keith Rabois</a> (backed Stripe, DoorDash, etc), called the pace <em>&#8220;absolutely unprecedented in my 21 years working with technology businesses&#8221;</em></p></li></ul><p>Some of the 80/20 choices that probably help shaped the culture:</p><ul><li><p><strong>2 kinds of engineers:</strong> After a Capital One reprimand for shipping too fast inside a regulated bank the founders split the team in 2, <em><strong>careful builders</strong></em> on the things that can&#8217;t break like underwriting and payments, and <em><strong>fast movers</strong></em> on a long leash for new products, in 3-to-5-person pods (I love this).</p></li><li><p><strong>Hire for slope (not r&#233;sum&#233;):</strong> 1 in 3 of the first 60 hires was a former founder, and the rule was to bet on people for 10x upside rather than screen for 0 defects.</p></li><li><p><strong>An org built to force cooperation:</strong> Product, design, engineering, and data all report to the CTO, and every spec and decision is published in the open, so teams hunt for dissent rather than sign-off and nothing waits on a gatekeeper.</p></li><li><p><strong>Sequence new products on rails you already have:</strong> the VP Product&#8217;s rule is to pick the next product that reuses the last one&#8217;s plumbing (cards, expense, and reimbursements all share the same employee identity).</p></li><li><p><strong>Organize teams around outcomes (not features):</strong> Each pod owns one big business result rather than a product surface (drive half of qualified leads, raise bill-pay attach rate), and has to publish an open contract laying out its goal, strategy, roadmap, and metrics so the whole company can see what it is accountable for.</p></li></ul><p>One gem worth stealing is the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vQiTmIghKhCjlFU0HtdTmRNsyKmwv9gs/edit">product strategy template</a> their VP Product shared on <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lenny Rachitsky&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:1849774,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afba5161-65bb-4d99-8d6b-cce660917fa1_1540x1540.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;5b5ec769-49fd-441c-8d17-115e25fc0a63&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>&#8217;s newsletter, which makes every team answer the same 7 Q&#8217;s before building (goal, hypothesis, right to win, metric, initiatives, risks, compounding).</p><p>By early 2022 the <strong>flywheel looked unstoppable</strong>, but then the market broke, opening the most interesting growth levers of the story:</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p>&#128204; Price rises after the first 100 paid members (almost there). &#8364;19/month, &#8364;195/year - anyone in before <strong>keeps &#8364;10/&#8364;100 forever</strong>. Expense it &#128071;</p></div><div><hr></div><h2>Act 2: The Down Round</h2><p><strong>March 2022 &#8594; December 2024 &#183; $100M &#8594; ~$500M annualized revenue</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GTf2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ea51a1a-6f6a-4d4e-8de9-ebd547b9f123_1494x490.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GTf2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ea51a1a-6f6a-4d4e-8de9-ebd547b9f123_1494x490.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-300m-at-a-28-lower-valuation-of-5-8b/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Between March 2022 and August 2023, <strong>interest rates shot up</strong>, and that resets how startups are priced. When money is cheap to borrow, investors chase fast-growing companies and (more?) happily pay a premium on their revenue. When rates jump, safer bets suddenly pay well, that premium shrinks, and the same company is worth far less without anything about it changing. </p><p>Every startup that had raised at 2021 prices <strong>now had to decide whether to defend that number</strong>. Rates hit Ramp&#8217;s actual business too, <strong>lifting the interest it earns</strong> on customer cash while <strong>raising the cost of the debt </strong>that funds card spending. They chose to reprice in public:</p><ul><li><p>In August 2023 it raised <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-300m-at-a-28-lower-valuation-of-5-8b">$300M at a $5.8B valuation</a>, a 28% cut.</p></li><li><p>The framing missed that revenue had 3x across those rounds, from $100M to <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-300m-at-a-28-lower-valuation-of-5-8b">over $300M</a>, so the multiple compressed from 81x to roughly 18x and the price reset to something defensible.</p></li><li><p>Brex defended its $12.3B mark for 3 years and sold at $5.15B. </p></li><li><p>By April 2024 the valuation followed reality back up to <a href="https://www.aol.com/news/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-150-223019947.html">$7.65B</a>, with revenue nearing <a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramp-at-1-billion">~$500M annualized</a> by mid-year.</p></li></ul><h3>Lever 4: Every free product became a new front door</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;There&#8217;s accounting firms that say, &#8216;We&#8217;re a Ramp shop here. If you want to work with us, we&#8217;ll bring in bill payments, treasury.&#8217; They can manage 10, 100, 200 clients all through one platform.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7dGa!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc71b30f6-77ef-413c-9e0e-32e4fe7c14fb_2048x1441.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7dGa!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc71b30f6-77ef-413c-9e0e-32e4fe7c14fb_2048x1441.png 424w, 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You would expect them to land a customer with the card and then upsell the rest but each new product <strong>turned into its own front door</strong>, pulling in customers who never touched the card:</p><ul><li><p>Thousands of businesses <strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRPCRIhrYac">showed up for bill pay first</a></strong> (no card involved)</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRPCRIhrYac">Procurement</a></strong>, the software that lets a company request, approve, and buy from its vendors, is now its fastest-growing line</p></li><li><p>Accounting firms started running their clients on Ramp and <strong>bringing 100-200 businesses each</strong> onto the platform, a sales team Ramp doesn&#8217;t pay for (it turned this into a product called Stack in 2026, <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/...">per the Series F release</a>)</p></li></ul><p>Every <strong>product door leads into the same building</strong> and they earn a small cut of whatever money flows through it, a fee on payments, a margin on financing, a commission on travel, and interest on the cash companies park with it (<a href="https://sacra.com/c/ramp/">$1.5B+ within a year of launching treasury</a>). Basically this is the same trade as Lever 1 (give the software away and earn on the flow underneath it) but <strong>run on every new surface.</strong></p><p>It shows up in two numbers, with 50% of customers now using <a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramp-at-1-billion">two or more products</a>, and Ramp apparently having <a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramp-at-1-billion">more than 30% of its profit</a> come from outside the card in 2025 (estimate plan according to <a href="https://sacra.com/c/ramp/">Sacra</a> for that year).</p><h3>Lever 5: They started charging only when customers were already hooked</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;Everyone&#8217;s a little freaked out. Are people going to be willing to pay for it? Is it going to hurt our conversion? Is it going to hurt our growth?&#8221;</em> &#8212; Karim Atiyeh, CTO, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7_Uk4yVnk">Invest Like the Best</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c3id!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdd84fa5-e975-453f-9051-6f867f397192_1241x684.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c3id!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdd84fa5-e975-453f-9051-6f867f397192_1241x684.png 424w, 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href="https://research.contrary.com/company/ramp">$15 per user per month</a>) for the advanced features, and braced for impact:</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1KEd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F521b0d05-5b56-4550-bb62-22ab2ebfc18b_1366x478.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1KEd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F521b0d05-5b56-4550-bb62-22ab2ebfc18b_1366x478.png 424w, 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Saturated channels price in their own returns, so the yield is in channels your competitors either haven&#8217;t found or have already dismissed.</p><p>The VP Growth&#8217;s (<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/georgebonaci">George Bonaci</a>) favorite example is direct mail:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;It was like, <strong>why would direct mail work</strong>, junk mail to <strong>people&#8217;s homes</strong>... and it became one of our most successful, biggest channels after a few iterations.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><p>It worked because probably few in B2B fintech was in their clients mailbox at the time, and because the channel is absurdly scalable for experimentation (<em>&#8220;very few channels where you can go, hey, tomorrow let&#8217;s go reach 200,000 people&#8221;</em>).</p><p>A few more pieces of the operating system:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Sequencing doctrine</strong> (from Sri Batchu, who ran growth before Bonaci, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcYCU5UAZOk">on Lenny&#8217;s</a>): founder-led sales first, then your first reps plus cheap targeted marketing (content, community, small events, PR), and only after all that paid and brand. Channels get more expensive down the list, and you get better at buying them as you learn your customer.</p></li><li><p><strong>Fail conclusively</strong> (Batchu): around 30% of growth experiments work, and the sin isn&#8217;t failure but a sloppy test that leaves the question open, so the same bad idea returns every year with a new executive attached.</p></li><li><p><strong>Events are binary</strong> (Bonaci): either take over the conference (the billboard outside, the hotel key cards, the speaker slot) or don&#8217;t go, because the lonely booth in the corner is money on fire.</p></li><li><p><strong>Saturate winners fast</strong> (Bonaci): when a channel works, push it to its ceiling quickly, since <em>&#8220;most things saturate probably more slowly than people expect.&#8221;</em></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h2>Act 3: The Token Land Grab</h2><p><strong>January 2025 &#8594; today &#183; ~$700M &#8594; $1B+ annualized revenue</strong></p><p>In 2025 the compounding became hard to miss:</p><ul><li><p>5 valuation marks in 15 months, $13B &#8594; $16B &#8594; $22.5B &#8594; <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/17/ramp-hits-32b-valuation-just-three-months-after-hitting-22-5b/">$32B</a> &#8594; <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-raises-series-f-at-44-billion-valuation-302791103.html">$44B</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-raises-series-f-at-44-billion-valuation-302791103.html">$1B+ revenue, cash-flow positive, on $200B+ of volume growing ~170% a year</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/22/capital-one-acquires-brex-for-steep-discount-to-its-peak-valuation-but-early-believers-are-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/">Capital One bought Brex for $5.15B</a>, ending the 6-year war</p></li></ul><h3>Lever 7: They gave away their data and became the news</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>"A lot of this data was out there, but it was the highest bidder to go and get this... we just try to open source this and let people see."</em> &#8212; Eric, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIRARvGX01M">This Week in Startups</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9d72!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d039166-b712-4dae-ade4-7900f94e7beb_1382x1738.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9d72!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d039166-b712-4dae-ade4-7900f94e7beb_1382x1738.jpeg 424w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9d72!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d039166-b712-4dae-ade4-7900f94e7beb_1382x1738.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9d72!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d039166-b712-4dae-ade4-7900f94e7beb_1382x1738.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9d72!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d039166-b712-4dae-ade4-7900f94e7beb_1382x1738.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9d72!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d039166-b712-4dae-ade4-7900f94e7beb_1382x1738.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/fastest-growing-ai-startups-2026">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>A fact about card data that most people don&#8217;t know is that <strong>hedge funds used to pay serious money for it.</strong> Aggregators bought anonymized transaction data from card companies, cleaned it, and <strong>sold it to funds trading on spend trends.</strong></p><p>Ramp sits on a feed like that, across tens of thousands of businesses, in near real time. I&#8217;ve done a few <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/fastest-growing-ai-startups-2026">analysis using data from Ramp&#8217;s Economics Lab</a> (image above).</p><p>They could have sold it but instead they publish it for free on a <a href="https://ramp.com/data">fixed monthly schedule</a>:</p><ul><li><p><strong>AI adoption rates</strong> by company size and industry</p></li><li><p><strong>Spend categories</strong> rising and falling in near real time</p></li><li><p><strong>What businesses actually buy</strong> versus what&#8217;s being marketed to them</p></li></ul><p>The return on giving it away beats the return on selling it. Every release gets picked up because it&#8217;s <strong>primary data nobody else has</strong> (i.e. CNBC quotes the AI-spend numbers in their Series F coverage), and the company becomes the <strong>reference source on business spending</strong>, which is exactly the authority you want when your product is seeing and managing business spending.</p><p>As someone who writes a data newsletter, I&#8217;ll say this is the cheapest credibility engine in B2B. If your product generates proprietary data as exhaust, publishing it on a schedule can <strong>turn your ops into free media / distribution.</strong></p><h3>Lever 8: They chased the new cost line before tools existed for it</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;For 500 years, business ran on two pillars of spend: people and vendors. In the last 24 months, a third arrived: intelligence, paid by the token and invisible to every system we&#8217;ve built to manage cost.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Eric, <a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-raises-series-f-at-44-billion-valuation-302791103.html">Series F announcement</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png" width="1422" height="715" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c8FC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd16d493e-750f-4edd-a797-e04b565dd8a8_1422x715.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://ramp.com/ai-cost-monitoring">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>So in April Ramp shipped <a href="https://ramp.com/blog">token spend management</a>, pulling usage data straight from Anthropic, OpenAI and OpenRouter, joining it with billing data, and attributing it to teams and projects. </p><p>Their own example of the resolution they&#8217;re after reads like an <strong>APM dashboard for money</strong> (&#8221;the search team spent $340K on Claude Sonnet for the recommendation engine, up 40% since the last deploy, driven by a prompt change that doubled average token count&#8221;).</p><p>Interestingly this is kind of their 2019 playbook rerun where they find a cost line that&#8217;s growing, painful and invisible, build the visibility layer before the category has a name, <strong>give it away to capture the flow</strong>. In 2019 the cost line was card spend and the incumbent was Amex&#8217;s points machine, while in 2026 the <strong>cost line is tokens and the incumbent is a spreadsheet.</strong></p><p>Whether token visibility monetizes like card interchange is an open question (there&#8217;s no swipe fee on an Anthropic invoice).</p><h2>The fine print under $44B</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZJL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8ae6183-a782-48ea-890d-2eb10be2165c_2048x1441.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZJL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8ae6183-a782-48ea-890d-2eb10be2165c_2048x1441.png 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Its also interesting to dig a little into the open questions that came up when deep-diving into this. 5 questions the bull case tends to gloss over:</p><h4><strong>1. What does Ramp actually keep per dollar?</strong></h4><p>Nobody outside the company discloses it precisely. <a href="https://sacra.com/c/ramp/">Sacra</a> notes the take rate is compressing for 2 reasons, more spend moving onto cheaper rails like bill pay and ACH that carry almost no fee, and bigger enterprise customers paying lower rates than startups. The <strong>slice per dollar keeps thinning</strong> but <strong>volume grows faster</strong>, which is how revenue crossed $1B. The risk sits underneath that where a business whose margin per dollar falls every year has to keep winning new volume just to hold revenue flat, and the thinner the blended rate gets, the more a software valuation starts to look like a payments one.</p><h4><strong>2. Is the revenue real &#8220;ARR&#8221;?</strong></h4><p>The skeptic's case is that Ramp is a payments company being valued on software multiples, and interchange is not the contracted, recurring revenue those multiples assume. The counterargument is that over <strong>30% of contribution profit now comes from software and services</strong>, the revenue converts to cash unusually well, and the business <strong>throws off free cash flow</strong> at $1B scale, which most "real" SaaS companies that size don't. Both can be true at once.</p><h4><strong>3. What happens to the charge book in a real recession?</strong></h4><p>Ramp underwrites 30-day charge cards against customer cash balances, with receivables funded by Goldman and Citi warehouses. That&#8217;s elegant in good times (no revolving credit risk, no consumer-style losses) and <strong>untested at scale in bad ones</strong>, because SMB cash balances are <strong>usually what evaporates in a downturn</strong>. Loss rates are not disclosed (I&#8217;d love to see them).</p><h4><strong>4. How much of the profitability is rate float?</strong></h4><p>Treasury launched January 2025, crossed $1.5B in balances within the year, and <strong>earns interest in a high-rate world</strong>. Free cash flow positive and &#8220;underlying profitability up 153%&#8221; are real claims, and some unknown slice of them is the rate cycle rather than the product. When rates fall things will change.</p><h4><strong>5. The regulation risk.</strong></h4><p>2 exposures, both about the swipe fee that funds everything:</p><ul><li><p>Ramp&#8217;s whole model runs on the 2-3% fee merchants pay on card spend. <strong>In the US there&#8217;s no legal cap</strong> on that fee for business cards, <strong>but Europe caps it near 0.3%</strong>. If US regulators ever did the same, Ramp&#8217;s main revenue source would <strong>mostly disappear overnight</strong>. It&#8217;s unlikely, but it would be fatal if it happened.</p></li><li><p>Ramp is reportedly chasing a slice of the US government&#8217;s own card program, a ~$700B pot of spend, and the way that deal was being handled has already <strong>drawn a congressional inquiry</strong>. A win would be a huge new revenue line, but revenue won through politics can be taken away by politics just as fast.</p></li></ul><p>None of this is disqualifying and all of it is the price of the subsidy trade from Lever 1. When you give the product away and monetize the flow, <strong>your risks live in the flow</strong> (take rates, credit, rates, regulation), and the $44B question is <strong>whether the flow keeps compounding faster than its risks do</strong>. </p><p>20 quarters of evidence say yes for now.</p><div><hr></div><h2>5 Growth Lessons</h2><p>My favorite take-aways:</p><ol><li><p><strong>They sold against their own industry&#8217;s incentive</strong>: Every card company earns more when you spend more, so the whole industry pushes you to spend more. They promised the opposite, to help you spend less, and the trust that earned is what pulled companies onto the platform.</p></li><li><p><strong>They funded a free product from a real revenue stream rather than from runway</strong>: The software is given away, but the card&#8217;s swipe fee pays for it the same day, so free was a business model and not a countdown to the next raise (not without its trade-offs).</p></li><li><p><strong>They waited to charge until customers were already dependent on them</strong>: Ramp Plus launched only after enterprises were running on its rails, and rather than churning, paying customers got more demanding and started shaping the roadmap, which made the product better and growth faster.</p></li><li><p><strong>They spent their experiment budget where others had given up</strong>: example with direct mail, it looked like junk mail, which is why it was cheap and uncontested, and after a few iterations it became one of their biggest channels.</p></li><li><p><strong>They gave away the data their product sits on</strong>: Spend data that hedge funds used to pay for (published free every month) and the press picks it up each time, which makes them the company quoted on how businesses spend.</p></li></ol><p>That&#8217;s it for this week friends!</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Ivan</p><p><em>P.s. If you want to help me out, the best thing you can do is <strong>share my work</strong>. &#128591;</em></p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#128640; Building something in this space? <strong>We invest &#8364;100K-3M</strong> at pre-seed and seed. If you&#8217;re raising or know someone who is, please send us your <strong>deck via DM</strong>.</p></div><h2>&#128200; You might also like / In case you missed it:</h2><ul><li><p>&#9883; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/sierra-growth-playbook">Sierra&#8217;s Growth Playbook: $0 to $200M ARR in 26 months</a></p></li><li><p>&#128187; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/mercor-growth-playbook">Mercor: $1M to $2B GMV in 24 months</a></p></li><li><p><span>&#128444;&#65039; </span><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/gamma-ai-growth-playbook">Gamma AI: 0 to $100M ARR in 6 years</a></p></li><li><p><span>&#129302; </span><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/n8n-growth-playbook">n8n&#8217;s Growth Playbook: 0 to $100M ARR</a></p></li><li><p><span>&#127916; </span><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/synthesia-revenue-growth">Synthesia&#8217;s Growth Playbook: $0 &#8594; $150M ARR</a></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h2>&#128218; Bibliography</h2><p><strong>Founder and operator interviews</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtYFbDfHHrQ">My First Million ft. Eric Glyman, &#8220;I built a billion dollar company in 18 months,&#8221; 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7_Uk4yVnk">Invest Like the Best ft. Karim Atiyeh, &#8220;The Anatomy of Ramp&#8217;s Hyper-Growth,&#8221; 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRPCRIhrYac">Cheeky Pint (Stripe) ft. Eric Glyman, with John Collison and Alex Rampell, February 17, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04k2fFdZPmE">20VC ft. Keith Rabois and Eric Glyman, E1148, 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ByHvdP77ZI">20VC ft. George Bonaci (VP Growth), E1264, February 28, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyjW4Ul8AZM">20VC ft. Geoff Charles (CPO), E1091, 2023</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNJDZ_RzTVk">Lenny&#8217;s Podcast ft. Geoff Charles, 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcYCU5UAZOk">Lenny&#8217;s Podcast ft. Sri Batchu (ex-Growth), 2023</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIRARvGX01M">This Week in Startups ft. Eric Glyman, E2192, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NB6mOUkgfA">ICONIQ Podcast ft. Eric Glyman, &#8220;The Uncommon Path,&#8221; 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cM3X0bNm6k">The Biography Podcast, &#8220;How He Grew Ramp To A $32 Billion Business In 6 Years,&#8221; 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pXtCVRG37g">Geoffrey Woo Podcast ft. Eric Glyman, 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGcXDNHYlbs">Mad Podcast ft. Eric Glyman, &#8220;AI at Ramp,&#8221; 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqT2PHWdBg">Peter Yang Podcast ft. Geoff Charles, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCmyRNXAZxw">Pavilion Podcast ft. Nate Follen (ex-Ramp), 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.joincolossus.com/episodes/8753343/glyman-reimagining-corporate-finance?tab=transcript">Invest Like the Best / Colossus ft. Eric Glyman, &#8220;Reimagining Corporate Finance&#8221; (transcript)</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Primary sources</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-raises-series-f-at-44-billion-valuation-302791103.html">Ramp Series F announcement, PRNewswire, June 4, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-reaches-32-billion-valuation-doubling-revenue-and-customers-in-past-year-302616510.html">Ramp $32B announcement, PRNewswire, November 17, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.capitalone.com/about/newsroom/capital-one-completes-acquisition-of-brex/">Capital One completes Brex acquisition, April 7, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://investor.capitalone.com/news-releases/news-release-details/capital-one-acquire-brex/">Capital One to acquire Brex, January 22, 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/news/press-releases/corruption-watch-ranking-member-connolly-launches-investigation-gsa-plans-give">House Oversight: Connolly letter to GSA, May 9, 2025</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Coverage and analysis</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramp-at-1-billion">Not Boring: &#8220;Ramp at $1 Billion,&#8221; September 9, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/ramping-up">Not Boring: &#8220;Ramping Up,&#8221; 2021</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://sacra.com/c/ramp/">Sacra Research: Ramp company profile</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://research.contrary.com/company/ramp">Contrary Research: Ramp business breakdown</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/03/ramp-secures-13-billion-valuation-in-secondary-deal.html">CNBC: $13 billion secondary deal, March 3, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-300m-at-a-28-lower-valuation-of-5-8b">TechCrunch: down round coverage, August 22, 2023</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/12/congressman-is-investigating-fintech-ramps-attempt-to-win-25m-federal-contract/">TechCrunch: Oversight investigation, May 12, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/10/ramp-secures-150m-debt-line-from-goldman-sachs-as-the-corporate-spend-market-grows/">TechCrunch: Goldman debt facility, February 10, 2021</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/06/capital-one-acquires-online-price-tracker-paribus/">TechCrunch: Paribus acquisition, October 6, 2016</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/news/corporate-card-startup-ramp-raises-050000165.html">Yahoo/Reuters: $750M raise at $8.1B, March 2022</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.aol.com/news/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-150-223019947.html">AOL/Reuters: $150M at $7.65B, April 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-peter-thiel-ramp-gsa-smartpay-expense-payment-system">ProPublica: &#8220;Trump Team Eyes Politically Connected Startup,&#8221; April 17, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/company/stories/how-eric-glyman-ramp-sheet-paper-fintech-business-four-years-cornell-tech-bloomberg/">Bloomberg: How Eric Glyman built Ramp (profile)</a></p></li></ul>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Mistral AI: $0 to $400M ARR in under 3 years]]></title><description><![CDATA[8 growth levers behind Europe's only frontier AI lab, and the sovereignty bet underneath.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/mistral-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/mistral-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2026 06:31:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ifs2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6df79e8e-453c-4362-9008-70949e5968a4_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. 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They&#8217;ve also raised a <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/09/ai-firm-mistral-valued-at-14-billion-as-asml-takes-major-stake.html">near-$2B Series C at a ~$14B valuation led by ASML</a>, and is targeting more $1B+ in revenue this year, with quite the cap-table:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WteV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88ce4551-fe15-4bc0-ae47-c27de4f2c114_1300x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WteV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88ce4551-fe15-4bc0-ae47-c27de4f2c114_1300x1024.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/mistral-ai#financials">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The most interesting question that came to mind during this analysis is, how do you build something durable when the product you sell might become a <strong>commodity</strong> (with enormous competitive pressure)? </p><p>Which is the exact (contrarian at the time) bet they made from day one. So I spent the past week pulling apart 11 founder interviews, every funding round, and Mistral research I could find.</p><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Why they raised the biggest seed in European history on a 7-page memo</p></li><li><p>The model they dropped as a bare torrent link at 5am on Twitter</p></li><li><p>How they took Microsoft&#8217;s money and shipped a closed model the same day, then survived the backlash</p></li><li><p>Why &#8220;you don&#8217;t want anyone to turn off your systems&#8221; became their pitch</p></li><li><p>How and why they put their own engineers inside their customers</p></li><li><p>Why a chip-equipment maker led their biggest round</p></li></ul><p>And as usual, a few growth lessons to steal at the bottom.</p><p>Let&#8217;s dive in:</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#128208; <strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology:</strong> this is me surfacing the 80/20 positive anomalies that explain Mistral&#8217;s growth (my subjective read, not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). It draws on 11 founder interviews and long-form podcasts (a16z, Bloomberg, 20VC, Sequoia, Stripe, etc), plus Mistral&#8217;s own posts and reporting from the FT, TechCrunch, CNBC and Sacra. All revenue figures sourced. Reported ARR is a run-rate figure, so treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>The setup for a $400M run</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ifs2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6df79e8e-453c-4362-9008-70949e5968a4_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ifs2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6df79e8e-453c-4362-9008-70949e5968a4_1638x2048.png 424w, 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The big dogs (OpenAi etc) turned that scarcity into closed APIs where you sent a prompt to a black box in a US cloud and got an answer back but you never saw the weights and your data sat on their servers. </p><p>So the <strong>moat was model quality</strong>.</p><p>Mistral bet on the opposite, with a founding thesis that frontier models commoditize:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;This tech is inherently going to get commoditized. It&#8217;s not hard to build. You have around 10 labs in the world that know how to build it, that get access to similar data, that follow the same recipes and algorithms.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h4><strong>Where we are</strong></h4><p>The gap between the best open and best closed model shrank from ~6 months in 2024 to ~3 months in 2025. This mainly happened because throwing more raw compute at pre-training stopped working, and every lab now hits the same ceiling in a couple of months. So the labs behind caught up, and the labs ahead ran out of room to pull away.</p><p><a href="https://www.deepseek.com/en/">DeepSeek&#8217;s</a> cheap open model in January 2025 was proof of this, one of Mistral&#8217;s founder called it <a href="https://www.aol.com/mistrals-ceo-arthur-mensch-tells-100002499.html">&#8220;a great moment for open-source models&#8221;</a>.</p><p>If the model commoditization assumption holds, then the hundreds of billions going into bigger models might be capex on a depreciating asset:</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#8220;Our competitors are investing billions or hundreds of billions into creating <strong>assets that are depreciating fairly fast</strong>, because those are commodities.&#8221; </em></p></div><p>Mistral&#8217;s strategy seems to be a bet that the value won&#8217;t sit there, and instead might sit in the 2 things a potential commodity can&#8217;t give you: </p><ol><li><p><strong>Being open</strong> (so you own and control the thing), not open then closed (wink wink).</p></li><li><p><strong>Being European</strong> (so your data and compute stay in your jurisdiction). </p></li></ol><h4><strong>Where it&#8217;s going</strong></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OF0p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1403dbc1-6ff1-4af3-946d-77136a837894_1221x369.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OF0p!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1403dbc1-6ff1-4af3-946d-77136a837894_1221x369.png 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://europe.mistral.ai/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>3 dynamics to keep an eye on over the next 24 months:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The gap keeps closing: </strong>6 months, then 3 months, etc so &#8220;best model&#8221; as a moat keeps eroding, and value keeps sliding downstream to applications, services and infrastructure. This is tends to be good for Mistral&#8217;s positioning and bad for anyone whose pitch is &#8220;we&#8217;re the smartest&#8221;. The counter is that &#8220;best model&#8221; could be the wrong benchmark now because the gap is closing on raw IQ but opening on agentic reliability, distribution, and inference-time compute etc., and those tend to favor the labs with more users and more capital.</p></li><li><p><strong>Sovereignty becomes a budget (vs a slogan):</strong> the founders&#8217; claim is that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rsn0np9K0A">Europe depends on US providers for the bulk of its digital services</a>, and US decoupling fears turned that into spend. France announced <a href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/02/10/ai-with-the-announcement-of-a-109-billion-investment-macron-intends-to-take-on-the-us_6737985_19.html">&#8364;109B of AI investment</a> around the Paris AI Action Summit, so in a way defense, banking and government now have a reason to buy local that has nothing to do with benchmarks. Then again, the cap table tells a different story which <a href="https://x.com/IvanLandabaso/status/2061825270370201909?s=20">I&#8217;m struggling to reconcile.</a>.. Sovereignty, but funded by a16z, General Catalyst and Microsoft?</p></li><li><p><strong>Margins compress toward utility economics:</strong> the founder says the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rsn0np9K0A">70% gross-margin software era is ending</a> and you should run AI &#8220;as an infrastructure business.&#8221; So this should reshape who wins (aka not the lab with the best demo but the one that owns cheap compute + sticky deployments).</p></li></ul><p>Also, the same logic that helps Mistral can hurt it with (among other threats):</p><ol><li><p><strong>Open weights commoditizing</strong> <strong>fast</strong> cutting both ways (Llama, DeepSeek, Qwen)</p></li><li><p><strong>Hyperscalers</strong> <strong>building</strong> <strong>down</strong> into the sovereign on-prem layer.</p></li><li><p><strong>The $830M GPU debt</strong> only pays off if those GPUs run hot (inference prices fall)</p></li></ol><p>Now, lets get into how they grow:</p><div><hr></div><h2>ACT 1 &#8212; The Memo</h2><h3>April 2023 &#8594; December 2023</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n8Vp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91632faa-1b06-4240-94d0-0094ef0cccf1_578x398.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n8Vp!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91632faa-1b06-4240-94d0-0094ef0cccf1_578x398.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n8Vp!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91632faa-1b06-4240-94d0-0094ef0cccf1_578x398.png 848w, 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FAIR lab and the original LLaMA project. </p><p>8 months later they had:</p><ul><li><p>Raised a <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/cf939ea4-d96c-4908-896a-48a74381f251">&#8364;105M seed</a> led by Lightspeed at a ~&#8364;240M valuation (4 weeks after launch, not bad). largest seed in European history at the time.</p></li><li><p>Open-sourced <a href="https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Mistral-7B-v0.1">Mistral 7B</a> in September as a bare torrent link on X.</p></li><li><p>Open-sourced <a href="https://mistral.ai/news/mixtral-of-experts">Mixtral 8x7B</a> in December, beat Llama 2 70B and GPT-3.5.</p></li><li><p>Closed a <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/11/mistral-ai-a-paris-based-openai-rival-closed-its-415-million-funding-round">$415M Series A</a> at a $2B valuation, led by Andreessen Horowitz.</p></li></ul><p>The levers they pulled on:</p><h3>Growth Lever 1: They turned their cap table into their first customers.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;European funds weren&#8217;t structured to do the kind of deal we were proposing... they just couldn&#8217;t get their head around the investment that needed to be made, whereas we were a pre-revenue company.&#8221; &#8212; Arthur Mensch, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Y84vpWhkU">20VC</a></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oI0y!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffdbd24f1-eb99-4891-9ca2-7932eaec2726_640x426.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oI0y!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffdbd24f1-eb99-4891-9ca2-7932eaec2726_640x426.jpeg 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.untappedcities.com/bnp-paribas-headquarters-on-boulevard-des-italiens/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Their Series A round had some interesting / unconventional names in it:</p><ul><li><p><strong>BNP Paribas</strong>, Europe&#8217;s largest bank</p></li><li><p><strong>CMA CGM</strong>, one of the world&#8217;s biggest shipping groups</p></li></ul><p>BNP became Mistral&#8217;s first paying customer the same year (at ~15 employees) and <a href="https://www.https://www.cmacgm-group.com/en/news-media/cma-cgm-group-adopts-custom-designed-ai-solutions-mistral-ai.com/business/cma-cgm-signs-up-mistral-ai-100-million-euro-deal-2025-07-09/">CMA CGM later signed a &#8364;100M, 5-year deal</a> with 6 Mistral staff embedded inside its Marseille HQ (more on this in later). 2 things they did:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The pitch was built for these buyers from week 1:</strong> their day 0 memo talked about Mistral as a <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/11/mistral-ai-a-paris-based-openai-rival-closed-its-415-million-funding-round">&#8220;European champion with a global vocation&#8221;</a> which for a French bank and a shipping group, backing that is almost a form of industrial policy.</p></li><li><p><strong>They sold before they had a product:</strong> months between seed and Series A were spent in enterprise conversations with nothing to sell but prepping the ground.</p></li></ul><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We did start the go-to-market motion at the time where we had absolutely nothing to sell. It did create some brand awareness despite the absence of anything.&#8221; &#8212; Arthur Mensch, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Y84vpWhkU">20VC</a></em></p></blockquote><h3>Growth Lever 2: They gave their first model away as a torrent link.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;A shortcut to distribution is to create demand through open source models.&#8221; </em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d20Z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc564818a-958e-4d9c-aa75-672c6365296f_597x335.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://x.com/MistralAI/status/1706877320844509405">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>On 27 September 2023 they shipped its first model (Mistral 7B) as a bare magnet link on a then-inactive Twitter account and it <strong>beat Meta&#8217;s Llama 2 13B</strong> on the benchmarks while being smaller</p><p>They sized the model on purpose so hobbyists could run it on a laptop or a gaming PC. The founder <a href="https://x.com/MistralAI/status/1706877320844509405">posted the link himself at 5am from a then-inactive account</a> and it did <strong>over a million views.</strong></p><p>This looks like a generosity play but it was really <strong>a distribution play:</strong></p><ul><li><p><strong>Free distribution:</strong> developers who ran it locally became a user with 0 sales cost and the deliberately small size maximised how many machines could run it.</p></li><li><p><strong>Recruiting magnet:</strong> Shipping the best small open model can be a signal flare to the exact engineers you want to hire (worked).</p></li><li><p><strong>Political goodwill:</strong> <em>&#8220;European open champion&#8221;</em> became an angle (fed Lever 5).</p></li><li><p><strong>A de facto standard:</strong> They repeated it with Mixtral 8x7B in December, which beat Llama 2 70B and GPT-3.5, deliberately the opposite of Google&#8217;s heavily-orchestrated Gemini launch.</p></li></ul><h3>Growth Lever 3: They bet on efficiency while everyone else bought more chips.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We have 1.5k H100 which is a few percent of the capacity of our competitors.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OaEj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6acc0dda-173c-49bd-b85a-eb8f8815b198_1000x1000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OaEj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6acc0dda-173c-49bd-b85a-eb8f8815b198_1000x1000.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://x.com/beffjezos/status/1991724890945384890">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>While US labs raised billions to buy bigger and bigger clusters they bet on getting more out of less (remember, Mensch co-wrote Chinchilla, so compute efficiency is in the founding DNA):</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;If you look at the way we train models 3 years ago and the way we train models today, I think we have probably made something around 100 times algorithmic improvement. So that&#8217;s probably where most of the gains were actually made.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The efficiency bet shows up in 3 places (and they compound):</p><ul><li><p><strong>Cheaper to train: </strong>They <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpeIuymJZ8">started at zero GPUs and trained 7B on about 500 GPUs</a>, shipping it in 4 months, against rivals burning multiples of that. Compute cost also falls ~30% every 2 years on hardware alone, so algorithmic gains stack on top of a falling base.</p></li><li><p><strong>Cheaper talent:</strong> A junior European ML engineer can <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yinHx5UnYs0">&#8220;produce as much as a million-dollar Bay Area engineer for 10x less&#8221;</a> (I&#8217;m all for raising wages and fixing / increasing ESOP in European tech, but the point still holds).</p></li><li><p><strong>Cheaper to run:</strong> Small specialised models can punch above their size. Their Arabic model M-Saaba (24B) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww9SkW0Em58">outperforms models 5 times larger</a>. That matters a lot later because cheap-to-run is what makes on-prem and sovereign deployments economically viable.</p></li></ul><p>The most interesting part of this bet is how they reframed their constraint as a strategy, which in turn is what makes the entire downstream business model possible (running it yourself, on-prem, cheaply etc).</p><div><hr></div><h2>ACT 2 &#8212; The First $100M</h2><h3>2024 &#8594; mid-2025</h3><p>Act 1 mostly built a brand and a developer base but <strong>it did not build a business</strong>. Act 2 is how the open-source darling had to do the uncomfortable thing and pick a way to make money (+ take the heat for it):</p>
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I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qrzs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qrzs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qrzs!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qrzs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qrzs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qrzs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg" width="718" height="478.6666666666667" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b99bfd59-46ac-4fc3-b089-125fc04b85a5_600x400.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:400,&quot;width&quot;:600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:718,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Clay, an A.I. 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y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Looking for an AI notetaker for your meetings? <strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">Granola is a lot more</a></strong>.</p><p>Most AI note-takers just transcribe and summarize. Granola is an AI notepad. You jot down what matters during the call, and Granola uses your notes plus the transcript to generate summaries, action items, and next steps from your point of view. The powerful part: you can chat with your notes. Write follow-up emails, pull out decisions, prep for your next meeting &#8212; all in seconds.</p><p>I don&#8217;t promote tools lightly. This one earned its place.</p><p>If you want to test it, <strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">I&#8217;ve got a link for a free month</a></strong> &#128071;</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Get Granola Pro Free 1 Month&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders"><span>Get Granola Pro Free 1 Month</span></a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><p>Hello there!</p><p>If you work in tech you&#8217;ve heard of the fancy term &#8220;<strong>Go-to-market Engineering</strong>&#8221;.</p><p>Today&#8217;s growth playbook is all about the pioneer of this category: <strong><a href="https://www.clay.com/">Clay</a></strong>.</p><p>In January 2026 it ran an employee tender at a $5 billion valuation:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/clay-953f#financials">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>A &#8220;spreadsheet anyone could rebuild&#8221; (for the skeptics at the time) grew from near <strong>0 revenue to a $100M+ in about 3 years</strong>.</p><p>So I spent the past week pulling apart 18 founder and operator interviews, every Clay blog post I could find, and the pricing memos Clay published themselves. </p><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Why 6 years of going wide nearly killed the company</p></li><li><p>The one tiny customer they bet on that helped them take-off</p></li><li><p>The &#8220;reverse demo&#8221; run 8 times a day, and how it killed an 8-call sales cycle</p></li><li><p>Why they deleted their support widget and forced everyone into one Slack room</p></li><li><p>The pricing bet every rival got wrong, and the rollout they had to walk back</p></li><li><p>How they invented a job title, then hired their own sales team into it</p></li></ul><p>And as usual, a few growth lessons for you to steal at the bottom.</p><p>Let&#8217;s dive in:</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em><strong>&#128208; Quick note on editorial and methodology: </strong>this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). It draws on 18 founder and operator interviews and long-form podcasts, Clay&#8217;s own blog and published pricing memos, and funding coverage from various sources. All revenue figures sourced. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>From rented lists to orchestrated data</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p2If!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4d90ace-1fc9-418d-9a5a-9e9bd84a86d9_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p2If!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4d90ace-1fc9-418d-9a5a-9e9bd84a86d9_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p2If!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4d90ace-1fc9-418d-9a5a-9e9bd84a86d9_1638x2048.png 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>A quick overview of how this market evolved before we get into <strong>Clay&#8217;s growth levers:</strong></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p>&#128204; P.s. we covered <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/sales-tech-stack">the evolution of sales here</a> + <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqjTZxHd6jo">how to setup an AI GTM stack</a>.</p></div><h3>Where we come from</h3><p>To understand the market Clay grew into we need to talk about <a href="https://www.zoominfo.com/">ZoomInfo</a> first. For two decades the center of gravity in sales was <strong>a single proprietary contact database</strong> you rented. Then <a href="https://www.apollo.io/">Apollo</a>, <a href="https://www.cognism.com/">Cognism</a> and others ran the same model where you license the list, load the sequencer, and dial.</p><p>The playbook on top was Aaron Ross&#8217;s <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/sales-ai">Predictable Revenue</a> (specialize the roles, label the lead types, build systems for repeatable lead gen).</p><blockquote><p><em>specialization survives, systems survive, the tactics get rebuilt.</em></p></blockquote><p>The bottleneck buyers cared about was raw pipeline, and pipeline needed contacts in bulk. So <strong>the category became contact data</strong>, profitable but commoditized, and the moat belonged to whoever owned the biggest list (ZoomInfo peaked as a public company worth more than $20B on this thesis).</p><h3>Where we are</h3><p>Two things shifted between 2022 and 2025:</p><ol><li><p><strong>AI collapsed the cost of outbound</strong> <strong>volume</strong> to near zero, so everyone got volume and a resource everyone has stops being an edge, where the scarce resource moved from the contact to the context around it. </p></li><li><p>My friend <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunny-huang5168/">Sunny</a>, who had been an early employee at Gong, put it best when I <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHuEM1beypk&amp;t">interviewed him after his team analyzed 600,000 sales calls</a>: <strong>the sales world is starving for data</strong>. Not the list but the accurate, current context on the specific buyer in front of you. <strong>Roughly 75% of a rep&#8217;s time goes to non-selling work</strong>, most of it the research that turns a name into a reason to call, and reps who cite two or more specific buyer facts convert about 30% more. </p></li></ol><p>Enter Clay as a startup well positioned to solve this increasingly important problem.</p><h3>Where the market is going</h3><p>3 dynamics will shape the next 24 months.</p><ol><li><p><strong>Consolidation</strong>: teams are drowning in 20 single-purpose AI tools bought on experimental budgets. Clay wants to be that platform for the data layer.</p></li><li><p><strong>The agentic shift</strong>: enrichment stops returning data and starts acting on it.</p></li><li><p><strong>The threat:</strong> if the foundation labs or a revived ZoomInfo decide orchestration is core, they build down into Clay&#8217;s layer, and Clay&#8217;s defense has to be the ecosystem rather than the software.</p></li></ol><p>ZoomInfo and Apollo still sell database access, <a href="https://www.outreach.ai/">Outreach</a> and <a href="https://www.salesloft.com/">Salesloft</a> own sequencing one layer up, but Clay built something structurally different underneath, and that structural choice is where the story starts today:</p><h2>ACT 1 &#8212; The Wander</h2><h3><em>2017 to 2022. From an abstract mission to near-zero revenue, and a 6-year search for who Clay was for.</em></h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png" width="1456" height="606" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:606,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:1575937,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/199214795?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uB1w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0decd039-c6bd-4178-b773-53ebc3cf92b2_1577x656.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If you read the <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/replit-growth-playbook">Replit Playbook</a> two weeks ago, the shape here will feel familiar. Replit spent 8 years grinding before the curve went vertical, Clay spent 6.</p><p>The company was founded in 2017 by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kareemamin/">Kareem Amin</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolaerusan/">Nicolae Rusan</a> who were McGill classmates and repeat founders. They believed &#8220;normal people&#8221; should be able to do things that only programmers could do.</p><p>But, they just didn&#8217;t know what to build. They tried making the computer terminal easier to use, then a tool to help people use APIs without code, but neither caught on. Then they looked at the spreadsheet (hundreds of millions of people live in them) and most would never call themselves &#8220;programmers&#8221;. 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The early spark kept dying because people would try Clay, say &#8220;wow, this is so powerful,&#8221; and never come back.</p><p>Kareem calls this stretch <strong>&#8220;the spiral&#8221; </strong>where they&#8217;d commit to salespeople, a customer would describe an exciting adjacent use case, and a few months later the team would land back at the same decision with slightly more information. Recruiting felt safe to chase because &#8220;recruiting is just sales, so it&#8217;s not really losing focus, is it?&#8221;</p><p>The fix was not a product but <strong>a positioning change</strong>. Kareem on Langchain&#8217;s pod:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We took our positioning and marketing and narrowed that. We removed the workflow product and the function product. We kept the table. We narrowed down our go-to-market and kept the product flexible.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>He compares Clay to a guitar vs a microwave, where a microwave has one button and one job, <strong>a guitar has six strings and a lifetime of mastery in it.</strong> They kept the guitar and narrowed the story they told about it:</p><ul><li><p>One customer: <strong>outbound sales.</strong></p></li><li><p>One problem: <strong>great data enrichment in a table.</strong></p></li><li><p>One page, one set of docs, one vocabulary.</p></li></ul><p>This is one of those tough / brave product trade-off decisions where cost is real (apparently most of their original customers churned). The founder is honest that narrowing felt &#8220;<strong>claustrophobic</strong>&#8221; (letting go was a personal block). What got him out was reframing the chain:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;How do we get customers as quickly as possible, so we can learn as quickly as possible, so we can improve as quickly as possible?&#8221; &#8212; Kareem on First Round</em></p></blockquote><p>There were 2 product principles underneath the discipline:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Aggregate every data source but own none:</strong> they hold no proprietary database. It orchestrates 150+ third-party providers, trying one after another until it has the best answer. Every rival builds and defends its own database but Clay&#8217;s bet was the opposite.</p></li><li><p><strong>Flexibility beats ease of use (for their use-case):</strong> Everyone told them to make the product one-click simple but they refused, which again was a tough product trade-off, but helped them become a power-user tool vs a toy.</p></li></ol><h2>ACT 2 &#8212; The Machine</h2><h3><em>2022 to 2024. Clay finds its wedge, then builds a repeatable engine on top of it. Roughly $0 to $30M ARR.</em></h3><p>In 2021 <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vaanand/">Varun Anand</a> joined. He had been running a business unit at an insurance tech company, where a lack of engineers <strong>pushed him deep into no-code tools</strong>, and that is how he got obsessed with the space. He was in a Slack group about no-code products when someone posted a Clay webinar. He signed up, and he was the only person who showed up. So he cold-emailed Kareem, who ignored him because he was on a silent meditation retreat &#128517;.</p><p>Varun joined anyway (at a low point apparently as some of the team was leaving, again echoes of the Replit story). </p><h3>Growth Lever 2: They grew inside other people&#8217;s communities before building their own.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;I&#8217;d been a member of Modern Sales Pros (sales community) for years, and I just searched in it.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0KwT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40622d3d-7c66-4253-8b94-0df0d91031c8_947x382.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This was the first real growth motion and it cost close to nothing.</p><p>Varun went into Modern Sales Pros (a sales community) and searched its history for &#8220;data enrichment&#8221; and &#8220;outbound.&#8221; He found about 30 people who had said something intelligent on the topic and <strong>emailed all of them</strong>. Almost all took a call and on those calls, exactly one type of person actually understood Clay, which were <strong>lead-generation agency owners.</strong> </p><p>These were small, technical, scrappy, running low-margin services across many clients, feeling the pain the most (it felt they&#8217;d found their ICP).</p><p>Then they built a <strong>social-listening stack</strong>:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Slack keyword alerts</strong> on the words customers used.</p></li><li><p>A tool for <strong>monitoring Reddit</strong> and the open web.</p></li><li><p>A dozen-plus &#8220;<strong>dark social&#8221; WhatsApp group.</strong></p></li></ul><p>When someone in those rooms described a problem Clay could solve, Varun direct-messaged them. Kareem&#8217;s description of why:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;One of our earliest employees was an agency owner himself and a power user himself. He has a ton of credibility in the space and is a community builder in the space.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>He <strong>bought instant credibility</strong> in the rooms their customers lived in. Varun on whether seeding a community you don&#8217;t own feels like spam made me laugh a little:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Do I care if I get kicked out of a community? Not really. I&#8217;m trying to help these people, I&#8217;m trying to solve their problem.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Having <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/what-facebook-taught-me-about-building-communities-2026">built and sold a GTM community myself</a>, doing this in a spammy way would get you kicked out pretty fast, but there&#8217;s a way to do it adding value to all (some of our best members at <a href="https://www.revenuesquared.io/">Revenue Squared</a> did it regularly, including about Clay, adding value first + data + pov then soft &#8220;pitch&#8221;, lets call it intelligently). </p><p>By mid-2022 they <strong>had a customer, a community, and a wedge.</strong> What it did not have was a way to turn that into a machine that ran without them in the room. The next 4 levers are how a founder doing 8 onboarding calls a day <strong>built himself out of a job.</strong></p><h3>Growth Lever 3: They threw out the demo and let the customer drive.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We&#8217;d call it a reverse demo. My goal was to blow Nick&#8217;s mind, to solve his problem in the first 20 minutes&#8221; </p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png" width="1446" height="929" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:929,&quot;width&quot;:1446,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:2035616,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;__wf_reserved_inherit&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="__wf_reserved_inherit" title="__wf_reserved_inherit" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2bfj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b5599d3-26c7-444a-b4bc-a1bbd800fdc4_1446x929.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.clay.com/blog/reverse-demo">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Clay wanted a self-serve product, but the path to self-serve ran through a year of brutal manual work. They ran roughly 8 onboarding calls a day for about a year, but without demoing Clay. Instead they did the opposite, or call it <strong>&#8220;the reverse demo&#8221;:</strong></p>
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Curated by Attio, the CRM of the AI GTM stack, Atlas includes:</p><ul><li><p>Systems thinking for every stage of the customer journey</p></li><li><p>Never-before-seen reflections from founding GTM leads</p></li><li><p>Reference material built for seed to Series A teams, free to use and keep</p></li></ul><p>With contributions from GTM leaders at Lovable, Vercel, Granola, and more, GTM Atlas brings the best minds together in one place:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://atlas.attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&amp;utm_content=atlas&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Explore GTM Atlas now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://atlas.attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&amp;utm_content=atlas"><span>Explore GTM Atlas now</span></a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><p>Hello there!</p><p>It&#8217;s been a wild year for <strong><a href="https://www.mercor.com/">Mercor</a></strong>. They crossed $1B in annualized revenue in early 2026, hit a $10B valuation at their Series C last October, and the 3 founders (22 years old at the time) became the youngest self-made billionaires in history.</p><p>Their ARR went from <strong>$1M &#8594; $1B+ in 20 months</strong>, and have been backed by our friends at Benchmark, Felicis and General Catalyst:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oQkr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F492aa1ba-b310-426f-bbd0-ee2bad544f2c_1302x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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<strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology: </strong>this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Sourced from 14 founder interviews (Lenny&#8217;s Podcast, 20VC, No Priors, etc), plus reporting from TechCrunch, Bloomberg, Forbes, Wired, etc. All revenue figures sourced. Reported ARR figures throughout are gross GMV, assume 20-30% take rate. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>From data labeling &#8594; agentic data</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Iio!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F835a5f8b-4821-436a-bebf-7a7816fcdaf4_1456x1820.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Iio!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F835a5f8b-4821-436a-bebf-7a7816fcdaf4_1456x1820.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3Iio!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F835a5f8b-4821-436a-bebf-7a7816fcdaf4_1456x1820.png 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><strong>UPDATED July 7 2026.</strong></figcaption></figure></div><p>A little about the evolution of the market before we dive into the growth levers:</p><h3>Where we come from</h3><p>To understand the market we need to talk about <a href="https://scale.com/">Scale AI</a> first, which was founded in 2016 by <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/alexandrwang">Alexandr Wang</a> (MIT dropout who was 19 at the time). </p><p>The first product would route low-skill human labor to <strong>label training data for autonomous vehicle companies</strong> (i.e. workers drawing bounding boxes around stop signs, pedestrians, etc), and Waymo, Toyota, and GM were all early customers.</p><p>For 6 years that was the category where Scale, Surge, Appen, Sama, and a few others ran sort of a <strong>global call center for AI training data</strong>. The work was crowdsourced and the pay was around $30 an hour at the high end (often a lot less). </p><p>The bottleneck the labs cared about was volume because <strong>pre-training was the constraint</strong> that mattered and pre-training mostly <strong>needed bulk. </strong>And the category&#8217;s name became <strong>data labeling </strong>(profitable but commoditized). By 2022, Scale had raised over $600M at a $7.3B valuation.</p><h3>Where we are</h3><p>Two things shifted between late 2022 and mid-2024:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Pre-training stopped being the bottleneck</strong>: By 2023 the labs had crawled most of the public internet and the marginal return on more pre-training data was approaching 0, which moved the bottleneck to post-training (reinforcement learning, instruction tuning, expert-built evals, etc), which <em><strong>needs different labor </strong></em>(i.e. an undergrad cannot write a rubric for what a Goldman associate&#8217;s investment memo should look like).</p></li><li><p><strong>The work itself changed</strong>: if the model is the product then the eval is the product requirement doc (PRD), and building the eval requires the same kind of person who&#8217;d write the PRD. So a $30/hour generalist typically can&#8217;t do it, you need a $200/hour FAANG engineer or a $500/hour M&amp;A lawyer etc.</p></li></ol><p>And it was our friends at Mercor who capitalised on this shift. </p><p>They started in January 2023 (before most of the market understood what was changing) and started paying 3x the going rate from day 1. They built a matching engine that worked for any role and sat in front of the right anchor customer at <strong>exactly the right moment.</strong></p><p>In June 2025, <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/13/new-details-emerge-on-metas-14-3b-deal-for-scale/">Meta acquired 49% of Scale for $14.3B.</a> The founder left to run Meta&#8217;s superintelligence team and the category leader from the previous era got removed from the board in 90 days, while Mercor (along with <a href="https://surgehq.ai/">Surge</a> and <a href="https://joinhandshake.com/ai">Handshake</a>) absorbed the demand.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bs27!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc06235b-ccf5-4fe6-8be6-179be9fb6ffe_1474x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The 4 companies on the chart represent the full competitive set right now, with <strong>Mercor&#8217;s curve being the steepest</strong>.</p><h3>Where the market is going</h3><p>Mercor&#8217;s founder says that soon <strong>every job will be taught to AI the way pilots learn in flight simulators</strong> (i.e. give it a task, let it try, score the attempt).</p><p>But the hard part is the scoring, because grading whether an AI did banking work right takes a real banker (which is what Mercor sells right now for banking, law, consulting, medicine, and engineering).</p><p>3 dynamics will shape the next 24 months.</p><ol><li><p><strong>The labs going in-house</strong>: xAI laid off 500 generalist annotators in September 2025 and shifted to internal teams, same with OpenAI that has apparently been quietly building in-house data operations. So the labs that can vertically integrate this layer eventually will, the question is whether they do it before Mercor builds enough expert supply and benchmark gravity to <em><strong>be too painful to displace.</strong></em></p></li><li><p><strong>The category consolidating</strong>: Handshake&#8217;s acquisition of Cleanlab in January 2026 and Taro in February 2026 is the first real M&amp;A in this market and Mercor will likely follow. Let&#8217;s see what happens.</p></li><li><p><strong>The work changing shape:</strong> The fear is this market shrinks once the models have learned everything but I don&#8217;t think it does, or at least not for a good while. The frontier keeps moving so the <em><strong>AI is always being graded against a harder task than last year</strong></em>. The world keeps changing (i.e. new laws, new jobs, new etc), so rubrics written today are stale in 2 years and as AI does more of the work, someone still has to verify it did the work right. </p></li></ol><p>The TAM is hard to size cleanly because nobody knows how much labs will spend on training data when models are doing 10x or 100x the work humans do today, but it&#8217;s very, very big.</p><p>That&#8217;s the market in a nutshell, now to Mercor&#8217;s origin + growth levers:</p><div><hr></div><h2>Act 1: The Bootstrap</h2><h4><em>Jan 2023 &#8594; Sept 2024 &#183; $0 &#8594; $2M ARR</em></h4><p>Three high-school debate teammates start a recruiting company on January 1st, 2023. The original premise is to match American startups with Indian software engineers, charge $500 a week, and take 20%. They are 19 years old, running this out of a Palo Alto office that <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/suryamidha/">Surya Midha </a>later described as &#8220;<em>barely larger than a conference room</em>.&#8221;</p><p>Nine months later they hit $1M in annualised revenue, still with no funding and no team beyond the 3 of them and a handful of engineers in India.</p><h3>Growth Lever 1: They charged before they raised.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;I would hustle sending out contracts on PandaDoc to our friends, charging them $500 a week, taking 20 percent.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e-NP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e-NP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e-NP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e-NP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e-NP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e-NP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp" width="1108" height="589" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84720479-87ec-43dd-849f-15e0dff0d5dc_1108x589.webp&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:589,&quot;width&quot;:1108,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:46652,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;<p>Brendan Foody, Surya Midha, and Adarsh Hiremath in high school | File photo: X/&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Brendan Foody</p>\n&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/webp&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="<p>Brendan Foody, Surya Midha, and Adarsh Hiremath in high school | File photo: X/&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Brendan Foody</p>
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By the time General Catalyst led the seed in late 2023, the matching engine was running and the unit economics were already mostly proven.</p><p>A lot of founders raise at the proof-of-concept stage when they still need the money to find out if the idea works (pre-seed / seed). Its especially impressive for Mercor to jump straight to seed with a good chunk of revenue considering their age and experience. </p><p>Not all business models allow for this, but in this case the leverage they got allows them to hit less dilution and most importantly a cap table they could hand-pick (Thiel, Dorsey, D&#8217;Angelo, and Summers all got in early).</p><p>It also bought them a position most startups never get which is that by Series C the business was profitable enough that Foody could say <em>&#8220;we don&#8217;t really need to go out for financing&#8221;</em> (20VC, September 2025). And apparently every round since has been an offer they didn&#8217;t need rather than one they had to chase. </p><h3>Growth Lever 2: They built one engine that worked for every role.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;A huge part of the Mercor platform is actually not building specifically for any of these roles but instead building technology that generalises really really well.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LmVm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda9615d6-fed4-400e-8a03-d9a3dd285c9e_934x321.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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The verticalisation plays well in pitch decks because it&#8217;s specific and defensible.</p><p>But these guys went the other way.</p><p>The matching engine they built in 2023 to hire Indian software engineers at $500 a week is the same one that hires Goldman associates at $500 an hour today. They have the same intake (resume + portfolio + GitHub crawl), same AI interviewer (custom 20-minute conversation, spun up in under 10 seconds for any role) and<strong> same matching model underneath:</strong></p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Whenever the models improve, the experience for applicants on our platform also improves pretty significantly. Can we ride that wave to make our product better and better and better.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>This is the lever that scaled supply from roughly 2,000 contractors in early 2024 to 30,000+ today without a corresponding ops headcount blowup. Scale and Surge built workforce ops infrastructure for one type of labor while Mercor built infrastructure that <strong>absorbs new labor types as a feature.</strong></p><p>The product compounding is multi-directional because <strong>each new role on the platform improves matching for adjacent roles</strong> (a lawyer&#8217;s interview rubric teaches the engine something about how to interview an investment banker). </p><p>And each lab Mercor works with <strong>feeds back signal on which experts actually drive model improvement.</strong> So the matching engine keeps learning even when the supply mix and customer mix change.</p><h3>Growth Lever 3: They got one lab deep instead of ten labs shallow.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;I was 20 years old at the time, so I was nervous about whether I&#8217;d have to use my fake ID. But fortunately, we just got deviled eggs, and we shared this vision.&#8221;</em> </p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xAhH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F094041b3-3118-4a0b-a0cc-b497b8b6f26f_807x282.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xAhH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F094041b3-3118-4a0b-a0cc-b497b8b6f26f_807x282.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xAhH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F094041b3-3118-4a0b-a0cc-b497b8b6f26f_807x282.png 848w, 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was OpenAI&#8217;s largest data vendor.</p><p>What&#8217;s interesting here is that they apparently didn&#8217;t chase 10 frontier labs at once but decided to get one lab deep, and that <strong>one relationship opened every other door.</strong> </p><p>Going deep on OpenAI also <strong>dragged product quality up</strong>. Foody calls Mercor <em><strong>&#8220;a deep research partner to our customers</strong></em>.&#8221; Serving OpenAI meant building for the hardest customer first with investment-grade rubrics, FAANG-level talent vetting, latency tight enough for hourly delivery and so on. So once they could serve OpenAI every other lab was a downgrade in difficulty.</p><p>That anchor relationship is also why Mercor was <strong>positioned to win when the category leader</strong> stumbled a year later:</p><div><hr></div><h2>Act 2: The Eval Era</h2><h4><em>Sept 2024 &#8594; Sept 2025 &#183; $2M &#8594; $500M ARR</em></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FFLy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea5c91e0-5ff0-407d-a243-fafe62e35480_784x291.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FFLy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea5c91e0-5ff0-407d-a243-fafe62e35480_784x291.png 424w, 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Replit's Growth Playbook: $2.5M to $250M ARR in 12 Months]]></title><description><![CDATA[9 growth levers behind the $1B ARR target for 2026.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/replit-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/replit-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2026 05:01:49 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oB3F!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F53538129-65e6-4956-add0-13ae865e17cb_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Uoov!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0fd2cf25-689b-4d3a-a6b1-5ced065ec64e_1600x900.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Uoov!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0fd2cf25-689b-4d3a-a6b1-5ced065ec64e_1600x900.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Uoov!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0fd2cf25-689b-4d3a-a6b1-5ced065ec64e_1600x900.jpeg 848w, 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Granola is an AI notepad. You jot down what matters during the call, and Granola uses your notes plus the transcript to generate summaries, action items, and next steps from your point of view. The powerful part: you can chat with your notes. Write follow-up emails, pull out decisions, prep for your next meeting &#8212; all in seconds.</p><p>I don&#8217;t promote tools lightly. This one earned its place.</p><p>If you want to test it, <strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">I&#8217;ve got a link for a free month</a></strong> &#128071;</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Get Granola Pro free for 1 month&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders"><span>Get Granola Pro free for 1 month</span></a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1><strong>&#127754; Replit&#8217;s Growth Playbook</strong></h1><p>Hello there!</p><p>Every operator I know has now heard the story of <strong><a href="https://replit.com/">Replit</a></strong> hitting $250M ARR last year but most have no idea what&#8217;s actually under the hood. </p><p>I&#8217;m excited about this one because I&#8217;ve been <a 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I interpret as an ambition to own the whole stack from &#8220;type an idea&#8221; to &#8220;your app is live with users and revenue&#8221; with one AI agent driving it. We&#8217;ve covered <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">Lovable&#8217;s growth curve</a> before, but <strong>Replit&#8217;s Agent</strong> was the first breakthrough product of its kind, credit where credit is due. </p><p>So I spent the past week pulling apart 20+ founder interviews, every Replit blog post since 2018, every press release of their 8 funding rounds, and all customer case studies I could find.</p><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn in this edition:</strong></p><ul><li><p>How Replit went from $2.8M to $250M ARR in 12 months</p></li><li><p>The Tesla-style master plan Amjad Masad wrote in 2015 (before ChatGPT)</p></li><li><p>The 6 months in 2024 when employees were quitting daily</p></li><li><p>The 10-person stealth team that built Replit Agent through the desert</p></li><li><p>The 1-week pivot that rebuilt every team for AI users instead of human ones</p></li><li><p>The pricing change that took ARR-per-employee to $2.5M</p></li><li><p>Why Anthropic, Google, and Microsoft ship Replit their newest models on day one</p></li></ul><p>And as usual, a few growth lessons for you to steal at the bottom.</p><p>Let&#8217;s dive in:</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#128208; <strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology: </strong>this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain Replit&#8217;s growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Sourced from 20+ podcasts and long-form interviews with Masad and team (My First Million, Sequoia Training Data, Masters of Scale, 20VC, Lenny&#8217;s, YC, Joe Rogan, and others), plus reporting from Forbes, TechCrunch, Semafor, Bloomberg, Inc, Sacra, and Replit&#8217;s own blog. All revenue figures and funding rounds sourced. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>Act 1: The Grind (April 2016 &#8594; April 2024)</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oB3F!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F53538129-65e6-4956-add0-13ae865e17cb_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oB3F!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F53538129-65e6-4956-add0-13ae865e17cb_1638x2048.png 424w, 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The deck looked a bit like Tesla&#8217;s master plan, bear in mind this is <strong>2016</strong>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CTGu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdb08c77a-59ff-4aa5-a538-1d65ab3ca405_1610x1068.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CTGu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdb08c77a-59ff-4aa5-a538-1d65ab3ca405_1610x1068.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CTGu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdb08c77a-59ff-4aa5-a538-1d65ab3ca405_1610x1068.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Amjad quit Facebook in 2016 and co-founded Replit with his wife <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/haya-odeh-b0725928/">Haya Odeh</a> and his brother <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/faris-masad-219b0515b/">Faris</a>. The first investor was Roy Bahat at Bloomberg Beta, who Masad had met during his Codecademy days, on <strong>a ~$500K pre-seed round</strong> (with 100K monthly active users! let&#8217;s just say the fundraising environment is&#8230; different today).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXPP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7076ce04-2a69-4a07-9058-3fa79f0eb435_782x370.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXPP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7076ce04-2a69-4a07-9058-3fa79f0eb435_782x370.png 424w, 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Then Sam Altman DM&#8217;d Masad on Twitter and said come meet me at OpenAI&#8217;s mission office. They talked, and Altman told him it was Paul Graham who&#8217;d actually found Replit on Hacker News, but PG was retired and living abroad, so they&#8217;d have to talk by email.</p><p>What followed was a <strong>2-month email exchange between Masad and PG</strong>, during the holidays, that Masad later described as feeling like &#8220;talking to a prophet&#8221;. On the night before YC W18 was about to start, Sam told them to submit a late application &#8220;<em>even if you don&#8217;t have time to answer all the questions</em>&#8221; and that the interview would be the next morning. They got in + a $120K check.</p><p>By April 2023 they had raised $97.4M at $1.16B, with 22.5 million users, <strong>but &#8220;only&#8221; ~$2.8M ARR</strong>. A unicorn that wasn&#8217;t quite a unicorn just yet.</p><p>So, how did they get there?</p><h3>Growth Lever 1: Picked the smallest possible buyer, in countries Silicon Valley wasn&#8217;t even pitching yet</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Build for the future buyer, not the current one.</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G7dx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F61863455-14d4-4ea0-89fd-debd97d08303_1620x1126.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G7dx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F61863455-14d4-4ea0-89fd-debd97d08303_1620x1126.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Replit&#8217;s Pre-Seed Deck</figcaption></figure></div><p>Most YC-backed dev tools target professional developers because that&#8217;s where the budget is but they ignored this and <strong>targeted 13-to-17-year-olds </strong>learning to code.</p><p>The economics were not ideal (school and education customers don&#8217;t tend to pay much), the procurement cycle is awful, and most of the users are minors who can&#8217;t transact. </p><p>Apparently every investor they pitched in 2016-2018 told him to go after pro devs for this reason, but just like we saw in the <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/granola-growth-playbook">Granola growth playbook</a>, outlier founders tend to dance to their own drumbeat, and Amjad fits in this bucket. </p><p>Their play was different (contrarian and right they say). The kid playing with Replit at 15 becomes the founder at 25 and the buyer at 30. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pzgp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36bdf71b-aa18-45d4-a6c6-39fab59912a2_593x551.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pzgp!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36bdf71b-aa18-45d4-a6c6-39fab59912a2_593x551.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pzgp!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36bdf71b-aa18-45d4-a6c6-39fab59912a2_593x551.png 848w, 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Every laptop, including the second-hand Chromebook in a school in Lagos or Jakarta, suddenly had a full development environment in it.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Originally the US was dominating by a lot. We see certain countries light up at the same time. The strongest growth right now is coming from more developing parts of the world. India is the strongest one, but we&#8217;re seeing really strong growth in the Middle East and Africa as well.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>By 2021 Replit was the dev tool of choice in India, Pakistan, the Middle East, and several African markets. While Cursor and Lovable hadn&#8217;t been founded, while GitHub was mostly invisible to anyone without a credit card, <strong>Replit had already built distribution</strong> into the markets every western tool wanted to be in 5 years later.</p><p>The product mechanics they shipped to make this work:</p><ul><li><p><strong>No-install dev environment</strong>, browser-based, runs in any tab. Crucial for users without GitHub-quality dev machines.</p></li><li><p><strong>Multiplayer (2018)</strong>, real-time collab on code, like Google Docs for programmers. Made pair-programming free across timezones.</p></li><li><p><strong>Free tier with real compute</strong>. Half a virtual CPU and 500MB of memory free, forever (heavy enough to build with).</p></li></ul><p>This added up to a 10-year cohort of users who became Replit-native before they were technical and by 2023, the platform had 22.5M registered users and you could see the geographic distribution in the user logos. </p><p>By the time the AI wave broke they didn&#8217;t need to acquire its non-technical buyer (PMs, designers, ops people, lawyers etc) because they were already kind of there.</p><p>Worth flagging here that this was the move <strong>competing tools structurally can&#8217;t copy</strong> because going after kids and emerging markets in 2017 looked like an obvious negative-NPV decision (you need 10+ year horizon).</p><h3>Growth Lever 2: Made platform bets when everyone else made narrow bets</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We should be ambitious enough to support everything, not pick one lane and hope it wins.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In 2016 most venture-backed dev tools were picking a single lane (i.e. <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/09/glitch-is-bringing-remix-culture-back-to-the-web-with-a-30-million-series-a-round/">Glitch</a>  bet on JavaScript, <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/14/amazons-aws-buys-cloud9-to-add-more-development-tools-to-its-web-services-stack/">Cloud Nine</a> on browser-based execution, etc).</p><p>The founder made 3 bets in the opposite direction:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Multi-language from day one:</strong> Python, Ruby, C, Java, Go, Rust. Glitch&#8217;s seed round was many times Replit&#8217;s pre-seed (they&#8217;d raised a 30M Series A).</p></li><li><p><strong>Cloud over browser: </strong>The original Repl.it ran code inside the browser tab and that &#8220;capped&#8221; what users could build. So they moved execution to containers on real servers and kept the interface in the browser (not an easy trade-off). </p></li><li><p><strong>Open it in the browser, not as an app you install: </strong>Every other IDE (the software developers use to write code) in 2016 was a desktop app but Replit worked like Figma or Google Docs (open link, share it, 2 people in the same project at once). Figma had proved the model for designers but nobody had built it for coders.</p></li></ol><p>Each bet cost speed but paid out from year 5 onwards (again, parallels here on other great teams we&#8217;ve reviewed, <strong><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/granola-growth-playbook">willing to take hard product trade-offs</a></strong>).</p><p>By December 2021 they had 10M users (nearest competitor had under 1M), but zero paid and in a market that wasn&#8217;t quite fully cooked yet.</p><p>The bigger payoff came later because when AI hit (current wave I mean) they <strong>didn&#8217;t have to rebuild for it as much as others</strong> because:</p><ol><li><p>Cloud-native meant Agent could spin up real infrastructure on demand. </p></li><li><p>Web-native meant non-technical users could share a working app with a URL.</p></li><li><p>Multi-language meant Agent could pick Streamlit for one prompt, React for another, without forcing a constraint.</p></li></ol><p>And this was a massive advantage.</p><h3>Growth Lever 3: Shipped on every new AI model within weeks of access</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Every year we prototyped something with machine learning and it was never good enough to ship. Then GPT-2 came out and it could write coherent code.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQP8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F30b65b04-04c4-4d1b-9e35-680dd2f6b4ab_1600x404.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DQP8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F30b65b04-04c4-4d1b-9e35-680dd2f6b4ab_1600x404.png 424w, 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They&#8217;d built 1 throwaway ML feature every year and apparently killed each one before it shipped because pre-transformer models couldn&#8217;t compile code or hold context past a few lines.</p><p>They built it anyway because the point was <strong>keeping a small group close enough to the research</strong> that when something crossed the &#8220;usefulness threshold&#8221; they&#8217;d immediately recognize it and jump on it.</p><p>That moment came in February 2019 when GPT-2 dropped, and they shipped:</p><ol><li><p><strong>June 2020, Explain Code: </strong>Replit got into OpenAI&#8217;s GPT-3 private beta (a small group with early access) and shipped a feature that let developers highlight any code and get a plain-English explanation. One of the first real GPT-3 products in market where each query cost more than they charged the user (ran it anyway).</p></li><li><p><strong>June 2022, Ghostwriter:</strong> Microsoft had locked up GPT-3 with an exclusive license in late 2020 blocking everyone else, so Replit trained their own AI on top of a free model from Salesforce and shipped Ghostwriter (AI that writes code as you type) 3 months before GitHub Copilot was public.</p></li><li><p><strong>May 2023, their own model: </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pirroh/">Michele Catasta</a>, who ran Google&#8217;s PaLM AI team, quit after Google refused to ship a code version. He joined as VP of AI and 3 months later a team of ~30 engineers trained Replit&#8217;s own AI and beat every free model in the world at writing code.</p></li></ol><p>What that bought them by April 2023:</p><ul><li><p>More AI features in production than any developer tool company.</p></li><li><p>Internal tooling, evaluation infrastructure, and fine-tuning workflows battle tested.</p></li><li><p>Day-one access to new models from every major lab.</p></li></ul><p>The Series B Extension closed in April 2023 at $1.16B with a16z Growth leading (2.8M ARR&#8230;).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T-LN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5cb591f-5eb4-4424-9df8-c707d9658b7a_942x401.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>By early 2024 Replit had ~$2.8M ARR and were likely burning through a lot of cash (thesis hadn&#8217;t yet converted into revenue).</p><p>Then the AI wave broke and the company was caught (a little?) flat-footed:</p><ol><li><p><a href="https://github.com/features/copilot">GitHub Copilot</a> was free for every Microsoft customer. </p></li><li><p><a href="https://cursor.com/">Cursor</a> launched in March 2023 and was growing faster than anyone. </p></li><li><p><a href="https://v0.app/">v0</a>, <a href="https://bolt.new/">Bolt</a>, and every week another AI coding product launched on Twitter.</p></li></ol><p>A few specific things broke at once that hurt them:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Pro devs wouldn&#8217;t pay</strong>: they&#8217;d spent 2 years building features for professional devs (advanced deployments, team collab, custom domains) but pro devs looked at Cursor and bought Cursor. </p></li><li><p><strong>Education revenue capped out</strong>: Teachers and schools were the original buyer but as we talked about earlier this is a tough market (unit economics never funded the AI infrastructure spend).</p></li><li><p><strong>Free tier got expensive</strong>: ~30M users were running compute on their infra for free and per-user cost went up every time the team shipped a new AI feature.</p></li><li><p><strong>Investor patience was thin</strong>: Cursor raised at $400M in October 2023 with better revenue than Replit had at $1.16B (<a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anysphere#financials">a16z were in both for example</a>).</p></li></ul><p>I heard Amjad talk about this part of the story and credit to him for opening up about a part of startup life that is not often talked about and yet very common. <strong>The team started leaving</strong> and it was a very hard moment for them, he described it as watching the company bleed out one Slack departure at a time.</p><p>Worth flagging that the trap wasn&#8217;t a bad product (the product was amazing), but that the user Replit had built for (the professional developer) was getting eaten by Cursor faster than Replit could compete, and the user Replit <em>could</em> win (the non-technical builder) <strong>didn&#8217;t yet exist as a category anyone paid for</strong>.</p><h3>The war room</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg" width="727" height="269.2171875" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:237,&quot;width&quot;:640,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:727,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Dune: Part Two - Concept Art and Set Photos of Arrakeen Residency / War Room  : r/dune&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Dune: Part Two - Concept 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tjJu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3f1f74b-94e1-4b88-a1ae-67b788551dac_640x237.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/1lxcunp/dune_part_two_concept_art_and_set_photos_of/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>In May 2024 they made a series of moves (some very hard):</p><ul><li><p><strong>Cut the team to ~30 people: </strong>Engineers, designers, support, founding-era hires.</p></li><li><p><strong>Pulled 10 engineers into a stealth team:</strong> with an assignment to rebuild the editor, runtime, and deploy stack for an AI agent.</p></li><li><p><strong>Gave them 90 days:</strong> The rest of the company kept the existing product running.</p></li><li><p><strong>Bet on Claude over their own model:</strong> Reversed the 2022-2023 &#8220;own the model&#8221; strategy and built an Agent on top of Anthropic instead of fine-tuning internally.</p></li><li><p><strong>Threw out every pro-dev feature:</strong> Team collab, advanced deployments, custom domains etc. </p></li></ul><p>By August they soft-launched the way game studios do to PMs at portfolio companies, designers at YC startups, solo founders Masad knew etc, and the success rate was high enough to <strong>commit to a September public launch.</strong></p><h3>Agent v1 ships</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wusf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7edf304a-6c14-4d9b-b13b-d6126f93eeb8_2048x1079.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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team for AI users instead of human ones</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;The org chart for a developer tool company and the org chart for an AI agent company are not the same company. We rebuilt around the new user in a week.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eMGb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1093fa04-676d-44d5-a744-6da67f866e38_1873x645.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eMGb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1093fa04-676d-44d5-a744-6da67f866e38_1873x645.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eMGb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1093fa04-676d-44d5-a744-6da67f866e38_1873x645.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In the week after launch they had to rebuild every team:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Killed the enterprise sales pipeline:</strong> Cut outbound to Fortune 500 CTOs and redirected the reps to inbound from PMs, designers, and ops people already building on Agent.</p></li><li><p><strong>Rebuilt support around non-technical tickets:</strong> new team was generalists handling &#8220;what is a database&#8221; and &#8220;how do I share my app with my boss.&#8221;</p></li><li><p><strong>Reshot the marketing site in 5 days: </strong>the new homepage was the same one-button entry as the product: <em>&#8220;what do you want to build today?&#8221;</em> which apparently led to signup conversion going from low single digits to 12%+.</p></li><li><p><strong>Renamed every product surface in plain English:</strong> &#8220;Repls&#8221; became &#8220;Apps.&#8221; &#8220;Deployments&#8221; became &#8220;Publish.&#8221; &#8220;Environment variables&#8221; became &#8220;Secrets.&#8221; </p></li><li><p><strong>Built a new growth team from scratch:</strong> Hired 4 generalists from consumer software companies. New mandate was acquisition through consumer channels (Twitter, TikTok, LinkedIn, creator partnerships).</p></li></ul><p>The compounding effect:</p><ul><li><p>Activation rate (signup &#8594; first deployed app) roughly tripled in 90 days.</p></li><li><p>ARR-per-employee went from ~$50K to over $2.5M within a year.</p></li></ul><h3>Growth Lever 5: Publicly pointed their biggest user segment at the competitor</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>"We don't care about professional coders anymore."</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ReGG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ReGG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ReGG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ReGG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ReGG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ReGG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg" width="686" height="386" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d2d379f6-b597-4ab7-9575-671d6e25df1e_686x386.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:386,&quot;width&quot;:686,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;I ranked every AI Coder: Bolt vs. Cursor vs. Replit vs Lovable&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="I ranked every AI Coder: Bolt vs. Cursor vs. Replit vs 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deprioritization:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Cleared the roadmap publicly: </strong>Team had air cover to kill every pro-dev feature on the backlog = no internal debate about whether to keep building = speed.</p></li><li><p><strong>Hard-positioned out of the dev tools category</strong>: Market stopped comparing them to tools built for engineers, they competed in the non-technical wedge.</p></li><li><p><strong>Surfaced the right ICP faster:</strong> Made it easier for non-technical buyers to self-identify and convert (pipeline velocity).</p></li><li><p><strong>Made the next pricing change defensible:</strong> When they repriced the non-technical tier (Lever 6 below) nobody was confused about who it was for.</p></li></ul><p>Next, they pulled on a lever that got them to 80-90% enterprise margins while most AI coding companies were still unprofitable.</p><h3>Growth Lever 6: Stacked consumption pricing on top of subscriptions</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Many AI coding competitors face 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">March 2025 Pricing</figcaption></figure></div><p>By early 2025 the math on Replit&#8217;s pricing was breaking because the base subscription was ~$20/mo but <strong>Agent users were running heavy AI workloads</strong>.</p><p>Most SaaS companies in this spot raise the subscription tier but they decided to keep the $20 subscription as the front door and <strong>stack usage-based pricing on top of it.</strong></p><p>The pricing rebuild:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Kept the entry subscription unchanged:</strong> $20/mo Replit Core (billed annually) stayed the front door.</p></li><li><p><strong>Bundled a credit allotment with the subscription:</strong> $25 of monthly credits, roughly 100 Agent checkpoints. Light users never run out while heavy users blow through it.</p></li><li><p><strong>Charged pay-as-you-go for everything above the allotment:</strong> Compute-heavy surfaces (AI model calls, deployments, autoscaling) got metered. Editor, public/private apps, and basic collaboration stayed unmetered.</p></li><li><p><strong>Repriced Teams around credits per seat:</strong> $40 of monthly credits per user, centralized billing, pay-as-you-go on top. Enterprise buyers compared the per-seat number to competitors and saw a manageable one, heavy-usage teams paid more total.</p></li></ul><h3>Growth Lever 7: Turned the boring infrastructure into the thing enterprise buyers paid for</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;With Replit, the entire software development lifecycle is in one place.&#8221;</p></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/paulg/status/1880594118927430068&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;I talked to the CEO of a moderately big tech co who said they'd replaced Figma with Replit. This surprised me because I don't even think of them as being in the same business. But he said Replit is so good at generating apps that they just to straight to prototype now.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;paulg&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Paul Graham&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1824002576/pg-railsconf_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2025-01-18T12:32:32.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:372,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:607,&quot;like_count&quot;:10115,&quot;impression_count&quot;:1508238,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>They <strong>spent 9 years building the unglamorous parts</strong> that made them enterprise ready, giving them a good head start vs competitors.</p><p>4 things that made enterprise adoption work:</p><ul><li><p><strong>They&#8217;d already passed the enterprise security audit:</strong> normally audits can take 6-12 months while they had passed this years before the landmine.</p></li><li><p><strong>Buyable through existing cloud contracts:</strong> Enterprises don&#8217;t sign new vendor contracts every time (can tend to buy through others, like Microsoft or Google Cloud which they&#8217;re likely already paying). The July 2025 Microsoft partnership put them on the Azure Marketplace (the App Store for enterprise software) and Google Cloud added them too.</p></li><li><p><strong>Real production infrastructure:</strong> Live apps need a real database, servers that scale with traffic, and uptime guarantees and they had been running all of it for paying developers since 2021.</p></li><li><p><strong>1 vendor instead of 5:</strong> A Zillow marketer went from prompt to live app inside the product, whereas the alternative was v0 for the design, Cursor for the code, Supabase for the database, Vercel for hosting, a separate security review for each etc.</p></li></ul><p>By early 2026, 85% of Fortune 500 companies had employees on Replit. </p><h3>Growth Lever 8: Turned users into the growth engine</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We have a DevRel team, but they&#8217;re not the traditional DevRel. They&#8217;re more like educators.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg" width="1456" height="914" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:914,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RLZv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1339c1e-e877-4674-83cc-9911281f39f2_1686x1058.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://research.contrary.com/company/replit">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>A few growth levers they pulled to turn non-technical users into the growth engine:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Built a Bounties marketplace (then sunset it):</strong> From 2022-25 or so users posted coding jobs and other users built them. The loop worked while the buyer was peer-2-peer but then they cut it and partnered with <a href="https://contra.com/replit">Contra</a> (growth mechanics have seasons).</p></li><li><p><strong>DevRel rebuilt around teaching: </strong>usually companies in this space would hire engineers to convince other engineers but in this case they hired teachers to convince non-engineers. A few outputs include the <a href="https://blog.replit.com/100-days-of-code">100 Days of Code</a>, tutorials, 1:1 calls with first-time builders etc.</p></li><li><p><strong>Surfaced unexpected builders as the proof:</strong> A Korean physical therapist built a 3D fascia tracking app, a <a href="https://finance.biggo.com/news/4b61329188317d47">pool maintenance founder built vertical SaaS</a> for his industry, etc you get the idea. And they used these stories as free proof to every other non-technical buyer that someone like them had already done it.</p></li><li><p><strong>Made every app forkable by default:</strong> public apps could be cloned with one click and customized.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h3>Growth Lever 9: Turned model labs into a distribution partner</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;The vast majority of what the agent does is code-based, and Claude is by far the best model available.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2N-9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc487c97f-5dd8-4811-9b35-4704eaddbf38_2000x1275.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2N-9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc487c97f-5dd8-4811-9b35-4704eaddbf38_2000x1275.png" width="1456" height="928" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c487c97f-5dd8-4811-9b35-4704eaddbf38_2000x1275.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:928,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A list of the top 50 AI Apps that spend on AI.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A list of the top 50 AI Apps that spend on AI." title="A list of the 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24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://a16z.com/the-ai-application-spending-report-where-startup-dollars-really-go/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>In October 2025 the <a href="https://a16z.com/the-ai-application-spending-report-where-startup-dollars-really-go/">a16z AI Spending Report ranked Replit #3</a> across all AI applications startups paid for, behind only OpenAI and Anthropic, ahead of every other developer tool.</p><p>Most application companies running on third-party models try to hide the dependency (there&#8217;s been a tendency by some investors to read it as &#8220;weakness&#8221;), but they did the opposite. Some of the levers they pulled on:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Pitted Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google against each other inside the product:</strong> Replit Agent has run Claude for agentic reasoning, GPT-4 for code review, and Gemini for cost-sensitive operations. The founder said publicly that they &#8220;<em><strong>pit multiple LLMs against each other.</strong></em>&#8221; And each lab got benchmarked in real workloads, giving replit early access to stay in the rotation.</p></li><li><p><strong>Shipped product upgrades on the labs&#8217; launch days: </strong>for example Replit Agent v2 launched in February 2025 announced as &#8220;in partnership with Anthropic&#8217;s Claude 3.7 Sonnet launch&#8221;, which gave them a distribution beat on publications covering the Claude release.</p></li><li><p><strong>Got placed on every cloud procurement marketplace:</strong> Google Cloud partnership (Vertex AI + Cloud Run, 100K+ apps deployed) and Microsoft Azure partnership (July 2025, Azure Marketplace listing). They had a commercial reason to push Replit through their enterprise channels because Replit was <strong>proof their AI infrastructure worked.</strong></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h3>5 Growth Lessons</h3><p>My favorite take-aways:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Bought their buyers 10 years before those buyers had money:</strong> the master plan slide is pretty mind blowing because it took courage, execution quality, persistence on that plan, and timing luck (which they almost ran out of).</p></li><li><p><strong>Made the pivot impossible to walk back:</strong> going on the record with <em>&#8220;we don&#8217;t care about professional coders anymore&#8221;</em> cleared the roadmap and ended the debate on whether to keep building pro-dev features (execution speed).</p></li><li><p><strong>Kept the front door unchanged and metered the back end:</strong> kept the $20 entry, kept new-user conversion flat, and stacked metered consumption on top for compute-heavy work (inflection point).</p></li><li><p><strong>Spent 9 years on infrastructure that looked uneconomic at the time:</strong> browser runtime, cloud containers, multi-language support, SOC 2 compliance, cloud marketplace listings etc helped win enterprise deals when the time came.</p></li><li><p><strong>Made the supplier dependency public:</strong> shipped Agent v2 on Anthropic&#8217;s Claude 3.7 Sonnet launch day, ran 3 labs against each other in production, and turned supplier press cycle into a Replit press cycle.</p></li></ol><p>That&#8217;s it for this week friends!</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Ivan</p><p>P.s. 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If you&#8217;re raising or know someone who is, please <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">send us your deck via DM</a>.</em></p></div><h2>&#128218; Bibliography</h2><p><strong>Founder voice, primary sources:</strong></p><ul><li><p>My First Million ft. Amjad Masad (Sam Parr + Shaan Puri), May 2026 and December 2024</p></li><li><p>Sequoia Capital Training Data ft. Amjad Masad, 2025</p></li><li><p>Lenny&#8217;s Podcast ft. Amjad Masad, November 2024</p></li><li><p>20VC ft. Amjad Masad (Harry Stebbings), April 2026</p></li><li><p>Masters of Scale ft. Amjad Masad (Reid Hoffman), January 2026</p></li><li><p>YC Podcast ft. Amjad Masad, April 2026 and July 2025</p></li><li><p>The Joe Rogan Experience ft. Amjad Masad, late 2025</p></li><li><p>Social Radar Podcast ft. Amjad and Haya Masad, 2025</p></li><li><p>Step Podcast ft. Amjad Masad, 2025</p></li><li><p>Peter Diamandis ft. Amjad Masad, September 2025</p></li><li><p>Silicon Valley Girl ft. 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Head of AI Michele Catasta, April 2026</p></li><li><p>Replit Team Documentary, March 2026</p></li></ul><h4>Press and analyst coverage:</h4><ul><li><p>Forbes <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardnieva/2026/03/11/meet-the-9-billion-ai-company-reimagining-vibe-coding-replit-amjad-masad/">&#8220;Meet The $9 Billion AI Company Reimagining Vibe Coding&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p>Semafor <a href="https://www.semafor.com/article/01/15/2025/replit-ceo-on-ai-breakthroughs-we-dont-care-about-professional-coders-anymore">&#8220;We don&#8217;t care about professional coders anymore&#8221;</a> </p></li><li><p>TechCrunch <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/11/replit-snags-9b-valuation-6-months-after-hitting-3b/">&#8220;Replit snags $9B valuation 6 months after hitting $3B&#8221;</a>,</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/02/after-nine-years-of-grinding-replit-finally-found-its-market-can-it-keep-it/">&#8220;After nine years of grinding, Replit finally found its market&#8221;</a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://sacra.com/c/replit/">Sacra company profile for Replit</a> </p></li><li><p>Not Boring <a href="https://www.notboring.co/p/replit-remix-the-internet">&#8220;Replit: Remix the Internet&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p>a16z + Mercury <a href="https://a16z.com/the-ai-application-spending-report-where-startup-dollars-really-go/">&#8220;The AI Application Spending Report&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://research.contrary.com/company/replit">Contrary Research Replit business breakdown</a></p></li><li><p>CB Insights, Tracxn, <a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/replit">Crunchbase funding history</a></p></li></ul><h3>Replit&#8217;s own communications:</h3><ul><li><p>Replit Blog: <a href="https://blog.replit.com/yc">&#8220;Rejected Then Recruited: Our Journey into Y Combinator&#8221;</a></p></li><li><p>Replit Blog: <a href="https://blog.replit.com/introducing-agent-4-built-for-creativity">&#8220;Introducing Replit Agent 4&#8221;</a>, March 11, 2026</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/georgian-leads-400m-series-d-investment-in-replit-to-support-continued-investment-in-replit-agent-302711218.html">&#8220;Georgian Leads $400M Series D Investment in Replit&#8221;</a> </p></li><li><p>Replit Blog: <a href="https://blog.replit.com/whats-changed-agent3-to-agent4">&#8220;What&#8217;s changed from Replit Agent 3 to Agent 4&#8221;</a>, March 19, 2026</p></li><li><p><a href="https://replit.com/news/funding-announcement">Replit Series C announcement</a> (Prysm-led), September 10, 2025</p></li></ul>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Sierra's Growth Playbook: $0 to $165M ARR in 26 months]]></title><description><![CDATA[The 10 levers that wired enterprise AI's fastest go-to-market]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/sierra-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/sierra-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 05:02:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aaZb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6664b2b6-3283-47e5-bce1-fe07420116be_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uyIf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe74050d-5d92-4a21-967e-6f1e778298b3_1686x1124.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uyIf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe74050d-5d92-4a21-967e-6f1e778298b3_1686x1124.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uyIf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe74050d-5d92-4a21-967e-6f1e778298b3_1686x1124.jpeg 848w, 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Curated by Attio, the CRM of the AI GTM stack, Atlas includes:</p><ul><li><p>Systems thinking for every stage of the customer journey</p></li><li><p>Never-before-seen reflections from founding GTM leads</p></li><li><p>Reference material built for seed to Series A teams, free to use and keep</p></li></ul><p>With contributions from GTM leaders at Lovable, Vercel, Granola, and more, GTM Atlas brings the best minds together in one place:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;http://atlas.attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&amp;utm_content=atlas&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Explore GTM Atlas now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="http://atlas.attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&amp;utm_content=atlas"><span>Explore GTM Atlas now</span></a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1>&#127754; Sierra&#8217;s Growth Playbook</h1><p>Hello there!</p><p>It&#8217;s been a huge week for <strong><a href="https://sierra.ai/">Sierra</a></strong>, who just announced a <a href="https://x.com/btaylor/status/2051313954312331411?s=20">fresh $950M round</a> at a $15B valuation in an attempt to win the enterprise segment for customer experience.</p><p>It's also a unique growth story because <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brettaylor/">Bret Taylor</a> is running it (ex Meta CTO, Salesforce co-CEO, OpenAI chairman).</p><p>ARR has gone from <strong>$20M &#8594; $165M ARR in a little over 1 year, </strong>and they serve 40% of the Fortune 50, 2 years and one month after public launch, which is the fastest enterprise software scaling curve I&#8217;ve ever charted.</p><p>So I spent the past week pulling apart 22 founder interviews, every Sierra blog post, every customer case study, and every funding round.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3hKf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6a3b269-2d0c-48c4-b949-ebf54d9d5601_1404x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3hKf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6a3b269-2d0c-48c4-b949-ebf54d9d5601_1404x724.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3hKf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6a3b269-2d0c-48c4-b949-ebf54d9d5601_1404x724.png 848w, 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this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain their growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Based on 22 interviews (Lenny&#8217;s Podcast, Acquired, Sequoia, etc.), plus reporting from TechCrunch, Bloomberg, Fortune, Sacra Research, plus Sierra&#8217;s own blog + case studies. All revenue figures sourced. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>Act 1: The Stealth Build</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BdSz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F73593dc0-c8fe-4370-990a-ae03dd9ae59a_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BdSz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F73593dc0-c8fe-4370-990a-ae03dd9ae59a_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BdSz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F73593dc0-c8fe-4370-990a-ae03dd9ae59a_1638x2048.png 848w, 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In his words:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Nerd sniped me a little bit, I just couldn&#8217;t stop thinking about it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>He then starts building again (an app for his daughter), a &#8220;choose-your-own-adventure&#8221; game, but the AI writes the next chapter based on her decision. He had written technology that wrote a book in real time, which turned his model of what computers were upside down.</p><p>A few months later he calls <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/claybavor/">Clay Bavor.</a></strong></p><p>The two had been trying to work together for 15 years. Apparently they had <em>&#8220;a monthly poker game that happens roughly twice a year.&#8221;</em> </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xo0-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F96799470-54e9-4c13-a4e0-95c27aff0be2_3840x2160.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xo0-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F96799470-54e9-4c13-a4e0-95c27aff0be2_3840x2160.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xo0-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F96799470-54e9-4c13-a4e0-95c27aff0be2_3840x2160.jpeg 848w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Clay was a year ahead at Google in the APM program, they worked on Maps and Gmail and Drive in adjacent buildings during the early 2000s, but Clay stayed at Google for 18 years. </p><p>We won&#8217;t spent time on Bret&#8217;s trajectory (well covered), but in a nutshell, he left for Friendfeed, then Facebook, then Quip, then Salesforce, then OpenAI&#8217;s board chair seat. Every 2 or 3 years one of them would float the idea of building something together but it never aligned.</p><p>Until early 2023, when they <strong>started</strong> <strong><a href="https://sierra.ai/">Sierra</a></strong>. At that time most AI startups were going horizontal (remember all the <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/pitch-deck-gpt-training-gpts-assistant">chatgpt API and everyone wrapping it in a UI</a>?). But these two went vertical and they went narrow (at first), and <strong>picked customer service.</strong></p><h3>Lever 1: They sold to people who already trusted them.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Until you have a representative happy customer, your ivory tower view of what your product could be and should be is probably wrong. Two happy customers becomes four becomes ten.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!seCE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc0b687c-27e9-478d-ad89-a1953cfd318a_1654x442.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!seCE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc0b687c-27e9-478d-ad89-a1953cfd318a_1654x442.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!seCE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc0b687c-27e9-478d-ad89-a1953cfd318a_1654x442.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>By mid-2023 every Fortune 500 CIO was getting pitched by 20+ AI vendors every week because product readiness and model capability had stopped being the <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/bottleneck-thinking">bottleneck</a>.</p><p>Sierra went around the new war for attention by going &#8220;around it&#8221; and selling first to people who trusted them (cashing-in their &#8220;trust piggybank&#8221;).</p><p>Between both founders they had 30+ plus years across 3 of the companies that literally built modern enterprise SaaS, in jobs where buying decisions came across the desk every week. So, they knew some people. </p><p>They recruited <strong>4 design partners</strong> to build the product in stealth for 11 months.</p><p>The four were:</p><ul><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.weightwatchers.com/">WeightWatchers</a></strong>: was inside a corporate restructure and needed customer service costs to come down fast. </p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.siriusxm.com/">SiriusXM</a></strong>: had 34 million subscribers and a legacy IVR that customers hated, which meant any AI improvement showed up in NPS the same week.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://www.sonos.com/">Sonos</a></strong>: has Black Friday surges that hit 10x normal volume. </p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://olukai.com/">OluKai</a></strong>: was the smallest (on purpose). A sandals brand with low ticket volume and a customer base obsessed with the brand voice, which forced Sierra to build agents that could hold a personality at production scale.</p></li></ul><p>What&#8217;s smart and interesting in their decision on who they picked for this phase, is that they <strong>intentionally chose customers who&#8217;d force the hardest constraints on the product</strong>. </p><p>And because they had chosen the intersection of that type of customer + the fact that they already knew and trusted them as partners, gave them <strong>room to ask for things</strong> (i.e. full IVR data, a senior CX exec assigned full time, etc) that no cold pitch usually gets.</p><p>Most competitors in 2023 had bigger models, more engineers, faster shipping, etc but lost the first 18 months of the enterprise AI race because they were still trying to get on the calendar of people while Sierra had been building with for almost 1 year.</p><p>Hold onto the word <strong>alignment</strong> here because the first lever is alignment between Sierra and the 4 customers who would shape the product, and every lever after this one is the same architecture pointed at a different stakeholder.</p><h3>Lever 2: They let unit economics pick the customer list</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Understand which specific math problem your product solves, and pick the customer segment where the math is most obviously true&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6DbJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a014648-11cc-4b72-a6f5-e1235486baa4_2000x1527.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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maybe $20 depending how long the conversation is. If you think about the average revenue per user of Google, they literally just can&#8217;t afford to do it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>A human-handled <strong>customer service call costs roughly $10 in the US</strong> (load in agent salary, benefits, supervision, software, and the six to twelve minutes the call takes). <strong>Sierra&#8217;s per-resolution cost</strong> sits somewhere between <strong>10 cents and $1</strong> depending on conversation length. </p><p>Once customer service is <strong>100x cheaper</strong>, it stops being a back-office cost and starts being something <strong>companies can actually compete on</strong> (faster resolutions, better experience, cheaper than competitors). </p><p>The trick is that every Sierra customer gets roughly the same percentage savings (~90%), so the % doesn&#8217;t really tell you anything about which customers are good targets. <strong>What matters is the absolute dollar number</strong>, and that depends entirely on company size. A small company saving 90% of a small bill is still a small number. A massive company saving 90% of a massive bill is a number that lands on the CEO&#8217;s desk. Here&#8217;s a quick example with 3 companies + 3 scales:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Regional retailer</strong>, 500K customers &#8594; ~$10M of contact-center spend &#8594; AI saves ~$9M. Real money for a small business but not really enough to move a board or accelerate a sales-cycle + integration.</p></li><li><p><strong>Mid-market subscription</strong>, 5M customers &#8594; ~$75M of spend &#8594; ~$70M saved. Significant, but the deal still has to fight for attention against 20 other cost-cutting initiatives every quarter, similar to above.</p></li><li><p><strong>Fortune 500 telecom</strong>, 50M customers &#8594; ~$1.2B of spend &#8594; ~$1.1B saved. This is a strategic priority that lands on the CEO&#8217;s desk and gets fast-tracked.</p></li></ul><p>The threshold probably sits around $100M in annual contact-center spend, because below that the deal might still close but on a slow enterprise cycle alongside other vendor evaluations.</p><p>Each of Sierra's 4 design partners turned into a unit-economics laboratory for proving the model to the next wave of Fortune 500 buyers:</p><ul><li><p><strong>WeightWatchers</strong> evaluated on containment rate</p></li><li><p><strong>Sonos</strong> on time-to-music-playing</p></li><li><p><strong>SiriusXM</strong> on subscription saves and upgrades</p></li><li><p><strong>OluKai</strong> on customer satisfaction during the brand&#8217;s signature aloha moments</p></li></ul><p>With this early <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/fundraising-3-underrated-pitch-deck?utm_source=publication-search">liquidity quality</a>, they raised $110M from Sequoia and Benchmark at just under a $1 billion valuation. Eight months later (October 2024) they raised a Series B at a $4.5B valuation, with production volume scaled into the next wave (i.e. Cigna, ADT, SoFi, Casper, etc), and <strong>ARR tracking toward $20M</strong>.</p><div><hr></div><h2>Act 2: The Outcome Era</h2><p>In December 2024 they published <strong><a href="https://sierra.ai/blog/outcome-based-pricing-for-ai-agents">a pricing manifesto</a></strong> explaining how Sierra would charge customers going forward, and the answer was that they would only get paid when their AI agent successfully <strong>resolved a customer service case</strong>.</p><h3>Lever 3: They only got paid when the AI worked.</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Business model transitions are harder (for incumbents) than technology transitions</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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If we do have to escalate to a person, that&#8217;s free. For sales, it would be a sales commission. Wherever possible, <strong>there&#8217;s a way to align our interests with our clients</strong>&#8217;, we choose it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The closest precedent for what Sierra is doing is the shift from impression-based ads to cost-per-click:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think any ad platform thinks &#8216;man, think of all the impressions we&#8217;re giving away for free.&#8217; When you charge for something closer to a business value, it&#8217;s actually more valuable. It&#8217;s more efficient.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>CPC took over because once one platform proved the alignment worked (Google), and Sierra is making the same bet on enterprise software.</p><p>Every incumbent in customer service software runs on per-seat subscription revenue (i.e. Salesforce Service Cloud, Zendesk, Intercom, etc).</p><p>But to match Sierra&#8217;s pricing model every one of them would have to cannibalise the revenue base their public market cap is priced on:</p><blockquote><p><em>Business model transitions are harder than technology transitions. The revenue dips for a period as they come back out. And any public company CEO will tell you that's easier said than done.</em></p></blockquote><p>Outcome pricing is the lever everyone sees, but the lever underneath it (the one that actually decides whether Sierra wins) is <strong>speed-to-live</strong>. </p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Granola's Growth Playbook: $0 to $1.5B valuation in 3 years]]></title><description><![CDATA[The growth levers, the moat, and the fastest rising AI notepad.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/granola-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/granola-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 05:02:23 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E-xA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4576808d-a09c-483e-885a-02a838a32e49_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_jX5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d73a160-4aea-428f-9935-172d07627cc4_1024x768.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_jX5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d73a160-4aea-428f-9935-172d07627cc4_1024x768.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_jX5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d73a160-4aea-428f-9935-172d07627cc4_1024x768.jpeg 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Granola calls itself a <strong>&#8220;steering wheel for LLMs&#8221;. </strong>I interpret it as, in a world where ChatGPT and Claude can answer almost any question, their product is the thing that <em>steers</em> those models with the context of what was actually said in your meetings. </p><p>Every move in the growth playbook below is basically a brick in that steering wheel.</p><p>So I spent the past week pulling apart 10+ founder interviews, every analyst report I could find, and a few profile + metrics floating around the internet.</p><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn in this edition:</strong></p><ul><li><p>The &#8220;year in stealth&#8221; playbook that cut 50% of features before launch</p></li><li><p>Why they refused to build a meeting bot when every investor told to</p></li><li><p>The frontier-model rule that turned a 12.5x cost collapse into a moat</p></li><li><p>Their &#8220;5 Hidden Rules for Building AI Products&#8221;</p></li><li><p>The Recipes launch that turned the angel cap table into a distribution amplifier</p></li><li><p>The MCP/API/Spaces pivot that turned a notepad into the context layer </p></li></ul><p>And as usual, a few growth lessons for you to steal at the bottom.</p><p>Let&#8217;s dive in:</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em><strong>&#128208; Editorial and methodology note:</strong> <a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">Granola sponsors today&#8217;s edition</a> but did not review or approve this Playbook before publication. The Growth Playbook format is mine, I&#8217;d write this breakdown whether they sponsored or not. This analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain Granola&#8217;s growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Sourced from 18 podcasts and long-form interviews, plus TechCrunch, Bloomberg, Sifted, Sacra, and Granola&#8217;s blog. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>Act 1: The Wedge (May 2023 &#8594; October 2024)</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E-xA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4576808d-a09c-483e-885a-02a838a32e49_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E-xA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4576808d-a09c-483e-885a-02a838a32e49_1638x2048.png 424w, 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He quit Google because he wanted to build something on top of GPT-3.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Within a week of quitting Google I started playing with the instruct version of GPT-3 that had just come out. I was blown away. I was like, okay, this is new. This is different. I don&#8217;t know what it is exactly.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>He started looking for a co-founder and stumbled into <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephensonsam/">Sam Stephenson&#8217;s</a> profile. Sam was a designer who&#8217;d been working on the same idea space from the design side, also based in London, at the note-taking startup <a href="https://www.ideaflow.io/">Ideaflow</a>. Pedregal sent him a cold email asking to grab a beer and they were off to the races.</p><p>They co-founded Granola in March 2023 and within two months they&#8217;d closed a $4.25M seed round led by Lightspeed (<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mignano/">Mike Mignano</a> was there at the time). </p><p>Then <strong>they went quiet for a full year.</strong></p><h3>Growth Lever 1: A stealth year to cut half the product before launch</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>The stealth year was about increasing feedback loop speed (not secrecy). </p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5-2R!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5b1284c-d8d7-48a6-9497-7b07f08836cd_1600x910.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://review.firstround.com/superhuman-onboarding-playbook/">Source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Before hitting product-market fit, they were onboarding users manually until they got to about 150 by launch day. </p><p>From the MAD Podcast:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What is the fastest way for me to learn? Will I learn faster if I launch publicly or will I learn faster if I don&#8217;t? For about a year, <strong>the answer was we&#8217;d learn faster if we didn&#8217;t launch publicly</strong>&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The cost of a public launch in phase 0 is very high because once you have public users, you can&#8217;t pivot the core interaction without <strong>breaking trust</strong>, and they were most likely going to need to pivot. </p><p>The first 6 months they built a real-time interaction where you&#8217;d type a keyword, hit tab, and Granola would autocomplete the note in real time during a meeting, which made for an incredible demo, they spent 6 months trying to make it work.</p><p>Aaand it didn&#8217;t. </p><p>The notes were good but if a computer is writing notes for you in real time, you can&#8217;t help but read them and if you&#8217;re reading them. Which kind of went against the whole point of Granola <strong>making you more present</strong>.</p><p>They scrapped the interaction pattern and rebuilt it as a calm text editor that does the <strong>magic at the </strong><em><strong>end</strong></em><strong> of the meeting</strong>, which was likely a less impressive demo but a way better product.</p><p>Pedregal on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NBDSe4jmLmcEo8XHas94q">Invest Like the Best:</a></p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;If we had launched that publicly, we never would have been able to switch it. There&#8217;s no way. Users would have learned a new behavior. We would have not retained that many users, and that would have been it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The stealth year ended with one more move that I think is the single most underrated growth decision they made which was to<strong> cut 50% of the features.</strong> </p><p>One interesting pattern I&#8217;m finding in the last few editions analysing growth playbooks of <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook">Harvey</a>, <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">Lovable</a> and <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/perplexity-growth-playbook-450m-arr">Perplexity</a> is their <strong>willingness to take on hard product trade-offs</strong>, <strong>almost &#8220;courageous&#8221;,</strong> as long as the iteration cycles were fast enough. I often see startups dying due to a combination of both these factors, hiding behind a false sense of security, not choosing a path with conviction. </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We were in stealth for a year and we kept adding things and adding features and adding views. By the end there was this version of Granola where you could swipe and there were all these panels, your transcript, your notes, your private notes, your notes in another language. It was really like that. We looked at it all and we cut out 50%.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>My take-away here is that t<strong>he speed at which you can iterate the core interaction is the most valuable asset of an early-stage AI product, </strong>because public launches lock you in while stealth can potentially buy you the right to be wrong many times.</p><h3>Growth Lever 2: Targeting VCs to win the founders behind them</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!anNr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfc38ef-1c97-4e84-a3da-4a76f4abaeba_1024x535.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://kwokchain.com/2019/10/24/notes-on-superhumans-acquisition-loops/">Superhuman&#8217;s acquisition loops</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Granola <a href="https://www.producthunt.com/products/granola/launches/granola?utm_source=other&amp;utm_medium=social">launched publicly</a> on May 22, 2024 with a team of 4 people and a simple pricing of free for the first 25 meetings, and then $10 a month (more on what happened to that price in Lever 5).</p><p>Pedregal decided to go after the most specific user persona he could think of, which were <strong>venture capitalists</strong>. From the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ld6ubPunW0mxrrJZsMVrG">MAD Podcast</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We needed a user type that has a lot of meetings, relatively formulaic, with a relatively formulaic note style, and that we have easy access to. VCs.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>VCs are the smallest market you could pick because they don&#8217;t pay much for software, there aren&#8217;t that many of them and investors normally see &#8220;building for VCs&#8221; as a red flag because &#8220;the TAM is so small&#8221;.</p><p>But Pedregal <strong>was building for the VC distribution </strong>(smart). </p><p>Investors are loud on Twitter, talk to founders all day and meet other investors at every dinner. And if a VC starts using Granola, every founder in their portfolio likely sees it, every co-investor sees it and most importantly, VCs were the people <strong>Pedregal could get coffee with in London on a week&#8217;s notice</strong>.</p><p>Then, on launch day, he told the team &#8220;<em><strong>now we stop building for VCs&#8221;.</strong></em></p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;As soon as we launched, we said okay great, now we&#8217;re done with VCs. We&#8217;re going to focus on a different user type. And we chose founders, just because we thought they&#8217;d be the hardest. <strong>If we could build a great product for founders, then by default it would be a decent product for everyone else.</strong>&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>VCs were the wedge and founders were the spreaders.</p><p>This is <strong><a href="https://review.firstround.com/superhuman-onboarding-playbook/">similar to the Superhuman strategy</a></strong> and it&#8217;s my favorite kind of Trojan horse because you <strong>pick the user with the highest </strong><em><strong>signal density per user</strong></em> (not the user with the highest <em>market size per user)</em>. If you get them to use it intimately you&#8217;ve recruited every person they meet to evangelize on your behalf.</p><p>By Series A in October 2024 <strong><a href="https://sacra.com/c/granola/">57% of Granola users were in leadership positions</a></strong>. Which is interesting because Granola didn&#8217;t target executives but apparently many of those who were picking up the tool became leaders shortly after. </p><h3>Growth Lever 3: Refusing the meeting bot to win the meetings that mattered</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>The AI bot is now a conversation starter for a human to bring up Granola and to vouch for it.</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg" width="1200" height="628" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:628,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Humanize the Brand cartoon&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Humanize the Brand cartoon" title="Humanize the Brand cartoon" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mv9Z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9866e4a9-6f0b-4a5f-8d38-1db843bd20c7_1200x628.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://marketoonist.com/2025/04/humanize-the-brand.html">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>When they launched, every other meeting note-taker in the market joined the call <strong>as a visible bot</strong> because the bot was their distribution (and it was very annoying).</p><p>Granola&#8217;s investors told them they were crazy to give that up, but as is usually the case, <strong>outlier founders tend to dance to their own beat</strong>: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Bots make you feel kind of weird. A big black box on the screen, sometimes shows up before you&#8217;ve joined. But beautiful from a growth distribution standpoint. Every user is exposing everybody they&#8217;re meeting with to your product. So <strong>everyone thought we were kind of crazy not to do that.</strong>&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The cost of the no-bot decision was real and immediate because Granola had no built-in viral loop, no free billboards, no &#8220;what&#8217;s that bot in the meeting?&#8221; recruitment moment and so on.</p><p>In return they got something that ended up mattering more which is <strong>the right to be in sensitive meetings.</strong></p><p>Bots get banned from confidential calls like board meetings, M&amp;A discussions, and executive 1:1s. They usually get rejected by lawyers, doctors, therapists you name it.</p><p>So the visible bot maximizes top-of-funnel but minimizes ceiling and they understood that early.</p><p>Granola&#8217;s experience was to seat on your computer, never announced itself to other participants (someone in a GDPR office right now is having a moment), <strong>never recorded audio</strong> (transcript only, that decision saved them from many enterprise blockers later), and worked across Zoom, Meet, Teams, Slack Huddles, and in-person calls without any per-platform configuration.</p><p>What they discovered is that giving up the viral bot didn&#8217;t kill virality but did change the loop:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;If you have a Zoom call and your AI bot shows up, people are now telling each other, &#8216;Hey, what are you doing with an AI bot? Why aren&#8217;t you on Granola yet?&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>What&#8217;s really cool is that now <strong>the competitor&#8217;s bot became </strong><em><strong>Granola&#8217;s</strong></em><strong> growth loop</strong> (this has happened to me, multiple times).</p><h3>Growth Lever 4: Running frontier models so the moat would be quality</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>Use the latest, most expensive frontier model. Even when it&#8217;s economically unsustainable. Especially when.</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg" width="959" height="640" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:640,&quot;width&quot;:959,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;House with large Moat | Dream Homes | Mortgage Calculator&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="House with large Moat | Dream Homes | Mortgage Calculator" title="House with large Moat | Dream Homes | Mortgage Calculator" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!um7K!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7c927b6-9b29-436d-bbd5-d0f03807f9cc_959x640.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In 2023, every meeting note that Granola generated probably cost a few cents in inference, but a heavy user doing 6 meetings a day on the free plan was unprofitable. Which meant every other notetaker in the market used cheaper models or self-hosted to protect margins.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq3x23MfxkI&amp;t=1s">Pedregal told Peter Yang on Behind the Craft</a> why this was actually an <em>advantage</em>:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;AI is different because these models are still expensive to run. Our costs scale linearly with users. This creates an opportunity: as a small startup with fewer users, we can use cutting-edge models that would be financially impossible for big companies to deploy at scale.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Granola was small enough to run frontier models on every user. But competitors couldn&#8217;t, like Otter which likely had $100M ARR and millions of users at the time, couldn&#8217;t switch to GPT-4-class models on every transcript without blowing margins.</p><p>Then frontier costs collapsed, with the price of transcription alone going from <strong>$0.25 per minute in 2021 to $0.02 per minute today</strong>, which is a 12.5x cost compression in 5 years, on the single most expensive line in Granola&#8217;s stack. </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dohAchPzU&amp;t">Sam Stephenson on Cognitive Revolution</a> in April 2026:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;There was a time where half of our burn rate as a company was going on transcription. That&#8217;s a lot better and more under control now.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The bet was that <em>running expensive products today is a temporary disadvantage that becomes a permanent advantage</em>. They have apparently been running on frontier-model output since launch, with internal eval tooling that lets the team route across OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google models and swap them overnight <strong>without breaking what they call &#8220;the Granola voice.&#8221;</strong> </p><p>By the time the costs collapsed users had been trained on a quality of output that nobody else could probably match.</p><h3>&#128208; Sidebar: the CEO&#8217;s 5 Hidden Rules for Building AI Products</h3><ul><li><p><strong>Rule #1: Don&#8217;t solve problems that won&#8217;t be problems soon:</strong> The current wave of AI startups tend to have 2 types of product problems, those the next model release will solve, and those that remain regardless. The mistake tends to be solving the first kind. For example, Granola refused to build chunking for long meetings (context windows expanded), and refused to build multi-language tooling (newer models handled it natively). <em>&#8220;As a product person, it goes against every instinct to deny users something they&#8217;re actively requesting. But, in AI, sometimes the best strategy is to focus on problems that will still matter even as the tech evolves.&#8221;</em></p></li><li><p><strong>Rule #2: Go narrow, go deep:</strong> &#8220;<em>General-purpose tools like Claude and ChatGPT are surprisingly good at many tasks, so if you are building a startup, it needs to solve a problem 10x better. The only way to achieve that is by choosing a narrow use case and making that experience exceptional.&#8221;</em> The 10x often comes from non-AI work. For example they built an echo cancellation system for users with and without headphones, which as you can imagine has little to do with note-taking.</p></li><li><p><strong>Rule #3: Context is king:</strong> Pedregal treats the LLM like a smart intern on their first day. The product's job is feeding the intern enough context to figure it out, whereas most AI products out there fail this by writing system prompts that try to anticipate every output.</p></li><li><p><strong>Rule #4: Your marginal cost is my opportunity:</strong> The lever we just discussed above. Frontier models are too expensive for incumbents to deploy at scale, small startups have a temporary cost disadvantage that becomes a permanent quality advantage as costs collapse.</p></li><li><p><strong>Rule #5: Build products that have a soul.</strong> Cohesion comes from intuition, and if you like product as a discipline you&#8217;ve probably felt &#8220;delight&#8221; using Granola. Pedregal does a user call daily and has screens in the office showing real-time feedback, but designs from first principles. <em>&#8220;When you&#8217;re constantly immersed in user feedback, you <strong>develop an emotional sense of what matters</strong> rather than just analyzing metrics.&#8221;</em></p></li></ul><h3>The numbers at end of Act 1</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Half of the people who tried Granola were still active 10 weeks later, doing 6 meetings per week on average.</em></p></div><p><strong>October 2024:</strong> 5,000 weekly active users, a $20M Series A from Spark Capital at undisclosed valuation, which closed in roughly a week after a single day of about 12 investor meetings.  </p><div><hr></div><h2>Act 2: The Ladder (October 2024 &#8594; March 2026)</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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selling AI hardware pendants at $250M annualized, etc etc). </p><p>The question shifted from <em>&#8220;how do we get users&#8221;</em> to <em>&#8220;how do we keep them when notes themselves become a commodity?&#8221;</em></p><div><hr></div><h3>Growth Lever 5: Pricing the team plan below the personal plan to force expansion</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>Each step nudges the exec champion harder toward bringing the company. </p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HauP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59dba6cd-729d-4142-a120-18a1ff535887_1337x781.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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This was a recent change as far as I can tell.</p><p>The exec champion who used to pay $18/month for themselves now has two options, either stay on free with a 30-day note window, or bring teammates (growth loop).</p><p>The price card got there in 3 moves over 22 months (free &#8594; cheap &#8594; asymmetric &#8594; personal plan deleted):</p><ol><li><p><strong>May 2024:</strong> Launch with one plan free for the first 25 meetings, then $10/month. Same price through the Series A.</p></li><li><p><strong>May 2025 (Series B and Granola 2.0):</strong> Add Business at $14/user and raise Individual from $10 to $18. <strong>Note the asymmetry</strong> where the team plan is now <strong>$4 </strong><em><strong>cheaper</strong></em> than the personal plan. They kept that structure for 10 months or so. The exec champion already paying $18 sees Business at $14 and does the math, which is a pull to bring on more teammates (cheaper than staying solo).</p></li><li><p><strong>March 2026 (post-Series C):</strong> Kill the Individual plan entirely, 3 tiers only: free, Business, Enterprise. Long-term Individual users get migrated to Basic with a 30-day history window unless they upgrade to a team subscription.</p></li></ol><p>Granola already won the individual through Levers 2 and 3 and the bottleneck was acquiring seat number two+. So they priced seat two below seat one, then deleted seat one when the company was infrastructure-ready and individual revenue was a rounding error against enterprise contracts.</p><h3>Growth Lever 6: Shipping Granola 2.0 to turn the notepad into a workspace</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;The most valuable information in companies isn&#8217;t found in static documents or wikis, but in the daily conversations happening across teams.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yXts!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39ff1521-fec8-4517-a1ce-313256415b52_989x385.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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What shipped:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Shared Team Folders:</strong> Sales calls, customer feedback, hiring loops, weekly syncs which anyone on the team can access (even without an account)</p></li><li><p><strong>Chat with Folders:</strong> Query an entire folder of meetings using best-in-class reasoning models, with citations to specific meetings and transcripts</p></li><li><p><strong>Enterprise Collaboration:</strong> Business and Enterprise users can explore any public folder inside their domain. Useful for competitive intel, customer success, onboarding new hires etc</p></li></ul><p>Stephenson summarized the user-facing thesis:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;With every call in one place, sales leaders can ask &#8216;Why are we losing deals this quarter?,&#8217; product managers can investigate &#8216;Which UX issues come up most often?,&#8217; and recruiters can understand &#8216;Where do our interviews keep stalling?,&#8217; all answered instantly with source-linked citations.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Kind of reminds me of a cross-functional + ai-native <a href="https://www.gong.io/">Gong.io</a>.</p><p>This new iteration sold you the <em><strong>unified record of every conversation</strong> your company has ever had</em> and by Series B, they were processing <strong>millions of minutes of conversation per day </strong>(remember they don&#8217;t store audio, just transcripts, which is a smart product trade-off discussion in itself), with 19 employees.</p><h4>The angel cap table (or: how the Superhuman strategy compounded into the Series B)</h4><p>NFDG led the series B but the angel roster on that round is a who&#8217;s-who of distribution-rich operators:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_W9f!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75068dd8-698d-47fd-9be8-63b01cd9938b_714x186.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_W9f!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75068dd8-698d-47fd-9be8-63b01cd9938b_714x186.png 424w, 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class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/two-dot-zero">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>What&#8217;s cool is that these people also have audiences, and they recommend tools. </p><p>So we see the Superhuman strategy going one level higher here where you have VCs as the initial wedge, founders as spreaders, leadership teams converting, and <em><strong>Angels pre-loaded with audiences.</strong></em></p><p>As a little example of the power of leveraging your cap-table, in September 2025 they <a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/say-hello-to-recipes">shipped Recipes</a> (<em>prompts paired with the context of your conversations, written by people who know what great output looks like).</em></p><p>And the launch contributors were:</p><ul><li><p><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lenny Rachitsky&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:1849774,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afba5161-65bb-4d99-8d6b-cce660917fa1_1540x1540.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;bc35334a-f00b-4d25-b333-6dcf522eeb1e&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> <strong>:</strong> &#8220;Write PRD&#8221;</p></li><li><p><strong>Matt Mochary:</strong> &#8220;Coach Me&#8221;</p></li><li><p><strong>Ridd:</strong> design feedback Recipes</p></li><li><p><strong>Peter Yang:</strong> &#8220;Gather product feedback&#8221; </p></li><li><p><strong>Nikita Bier:</strong> consumer growth Recipes</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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And they&#8217;ll say, I was in this meeting, and 30 seconds after the meeting, these <strong>beautiful notes just popped up in Slack</strong> and I was like, <strong>how did you do that</strong>? And then they dig and they find out it&#8217;s Granola.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h3>Growth Lever 7: Anchoring the habit to the calendar to never be forgotten</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Half of the people who try Granola still use it 10 weeks later, doing an average of 6 meetings a week.</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DwqM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DwqM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DwqM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DwqM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DwqM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DwqM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png" width="1100" height="452" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a3b749d1-d455-4240-81e8-b1c766f46116_1100x452.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:452,&quot;width&quot;:1100,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Notifications - Granola Docs &amp; 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There&#8217;s a very specific moment where we know you&#8217;re going to do a meeting. The combination that Granola is useful and we can <strong>send notifications at the right moment</strong>, that&#8217;s what leads to retention.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Most consumer AI products lose users to forgetfulness due to the classic <em>&#8220;Oh, I just forgot to use it.&#8221;, </em>but Granola fixed it by anchoring to a habit that already existed in the user&#8217;s calendar (and by the way they do this super smoothly, I like the detail of the time running down on the notification, makes me want to &#8220;<strong>run to click on it</strong>&#8221;).</p><h3>Growth Lever 8: Building from London to win Silicon Valley</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We are an American company that happens to be in London. We built for Silicon Valley. We built for the American market explicitly.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg" width="1280" height="619" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:619,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:87787,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;The Office - Michael Scott and David Brent bloopers || USA meets UK &#128514;&#128540;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="The Office - Michael Scott and David Brent bloopers || USA meets UK &#128514;&#128540;" title="The Office - Michael Scott and David Brent bloopers || USA meets UK &#128514;&#128540;" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VY4E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F35a9b571-20f0-4205-b228-b15c4a17b777_1280x619.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Granola is headquartered in London, but Pedregal is American (and Stephenson sounds pretty British to me). They built the company in London for personal reasons (Pedregal&#8217;s wife is English, and both have families there). But they made a decision early on to <em>frame <strong>Granola as a Silicon Valley company </strong>that<strong> happens to be in London</strong>.</em></p><p>All copy is American English, all early users were US-based founders and VCs and the first office expansion (Q1 2026) was San Francisco, with <strong>5 sales reps shipped over to start it</strong>. The Series B and Series C investor lists are entirely US-based and the <strong>product launches time to US news cycles.</strong></p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;If you&#8217;re in London, it&#8217;s too easy to think about the UK and Europe. My general view is that in this AI space, you need to be competitive in the US. Otherwise someone will win the US, and then you&#8217;re going to have to fight them in Europe. There&#8217;s <strong>no reason why you can&#8217;t go after the US market from here</strong>.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h3>The notetaker wave: where Granola sits in the race</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lyrF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff14cd02e-83f3-4162-8bf9-fd83e65424f3_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lyrF!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff14cd02e-83f3-4162-8bf9-fd83e65424f3_1638x2048.png 424w, 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agent-managed world.</p><p><a href="https://x.com/cjpedregal/status/2033909268554953067">The founder apologized</a> and promised proper APIs were coming and just days later, they shipped them.</p><h3>Growth Lever 9: Shipping MCP to become the memory layer for AI agents</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;Think of it like USB-C for AI apps.&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t75E!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56a231e9-0504-4bac-9657-2b9774e6e218_3840x2160.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t75E!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56a231e9-0504-4bac-9657-2b9774e6e218_3840x2160.png 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t75E!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56a231e9-0504-4bac-9657-2b9774e6e218_3840x2160.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t75E!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56a231e9-0504-4bac-9657-2b9774e6e218_3840x2160.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t75E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56a231e9-0504-4bac-9657-2b9774e6e218_3840x2160.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>When Granola launched their MCP server they <em><strong>gave away their data layer</strong></em><strong>.</strong> Now you could connect it to Claude, ChatGPT, Cursor, Lovable, Replit, etc and any of those tools could pull from your Granola meetings on demand.</p><p>Every AI agent that wants to be useful at work needs to know what was said in your meetings and Granola became the only company that could serve that context.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Conversation transcripts are the <strong>richest source of context for what&#8217;s happening across your company</strong>. When paired with powerful AI models, they can unlock workflows that wouldn&#8217;t have been possible before.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>This means that meetings are the <strong>densest unstructured data</strong> your company produces, which is the trojan horse the founders had been talking about since 2023.</p><h3>Growth Lever 10: Opening the data layer with APIs to flip the price ceiling</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>The highest-quality memory substrate that exists for a knowledge worker</p></div><p>Three weeks after MCP, they announced the Series C and shipped 3 more pieces:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Personal API:</strong> for individual users on Business and Enterprise plans, programmatic access to your own meeting context</p></li><li><p><strong>Enterprise API:</strong> for admins, programmatic access to the whole team&#8217;s context, with SSO, SCIM, and access controls</p></li><li><p><strong>Spaces:</strong> team workspaces with granular permissions</p></li></ul><p>Spaces apparently took about a year to build:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We&#8217;ve made the product secure enough and compliant enough. The fact that we were able to work with DoorDash, that&#8217;s testament to all the work the team&#8217;s done.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The <strong>APIs change the price ceiling</strong> and as notes commoditize, the <strong>value moves from the notes to the structured context layer</strong> that powers AI agents. And while you can&#8217;t charge $200/user/month for better notes, you can charge that for the layer.</p><p><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/perplexity-growth-playbook-450m-arr">Similar playbook Perplexity ran with Computer in February 2026</a>, which is an economic flip wrapped in a product launch.</p><p>But the real question in all our minds is still,<strong> is Granola defensible against foundation models?</strong></p><p>You&#8217;ve heard the bear case a million times. Transcription is a commodity, summarization is a free model call, ChatGPT and Claude both shipped persistent memory, distribution is uphill, the category has failed, Granola is a feature not a company etc, etc. Heard it, moving on.</p><p>Best thing about being a VC is that its made for optimists because you gotta think about what could go right (otherwise you&#8217;d never invest in anything in a field surrounded by constant startup mortality and outliers).</p><p>So here&#8217;s my bull case:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Beautiful products own mind share, and mind share is the cheapest CAC there is: </strong>Granola&#8217;s whole product is kind of &#8220;a feeling&#8221;, you see it because people don&#8217;t say &#8220;the AI notetaker&#8221;, they say &#8220;Granola&#8221;, it&#8217;s already a verb in tech.</p></li><li><p><strong>Owning the workflow could beat owning the model:</strong> The valuable position is &#8220;we own the daily ritual.&#8221; The same way Notion isn&#8217;t a better word processor, they just own where work happens. Granola aims to own the moment a meeting starts (a workflow you do 5x+ a day).</p></li><li><p><strong>Cross-platform persistence is structurally different from any platform&#8217;s native feature:</strong> Microsoft can win Teams meetings but they can&#8217;t make your Zoom call show up in your Microsoft notes (for now, afaik).</p></li><li><p><strong>Meeting context could be the highest-quality memory substrate: </strong>OpenAI can ship &#8220;memory&#8221; but they can&#8217;t ship a year of your team&#8217;s actual conversations (yet).</p></li><li><p><strong>The &#8220;wrapper&#8221; critique aged badly:</strong> People said the same thing about Cursor (wrapper around VS Code + Claude), Perplexity (wrapper around search + LLMs), Harvey (wrapper around GPT-4 + legal docs), all at $100M+ ARR&#8230;</p></li><li><p><strong>The whole space is still in exploration mode (not exploitation mode): </strong>I like this frame from the founder. Nobody knows yet what the persistent memory substrate for AI agents looks like.</p></li></ul><p>The net net is that if the meeting context becomes the dominant memory substrate for AI agents over the next 24 months, whoever owns ingestion of that substrate has a chance at a (very) big outcome.</p><p>We&#8217;ll see!</p><div><hr></div><h2>5 Growth Lessons You Can Steal</h2><p>My biggest takeaways:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Stayed in stealth long (for our times): </strong>Granola spent a year onboarding 150 users one by one before they launched and used that year to scrap their core interaction pattern <em>and</em> cut 50% of features.</p></li><li><p><strong>Picked their wedge by signal density, and kept compounding the status ladder:</strong> Granola targeted VCs first knowing the TAM was tiny because each VC user produces an outsized amount of evangelism, network spillover, and product feedback.</p></li><li><p><strong>Easy trade-offs, hard life. Hard trade-offs, easy life:</strong> Granola took a bunch of hard product trade-off decisions (i.e. walked away from the meeting bot), which was the entire growth engine of their category at the time. Doing it would have locked them out of the most valuable meetings, and the competitor&#8217;s bot ended up being Granola&#8217;s growth loop anyway.</p></li><li><p><strong>Ran frontier models even when the unit economics didn&#8217;t work yet:</strong> They ran on the most expensive available LLMs since 2023 because they bet costs would collapse before competitors caught up on quality, and they were right.</p></li><li><p><strong>Used pricing strategically: </strong>Once an exec champion is using your product, the cheapest path to seven more users is to make the team plan obviously cheaper than the personal plan they&#8217;re already paying for.</p></li></ol><p>That&#8217;s it for this week, friends.</p><p>Cheers, </p><p>Ivan</p><p>P.s. 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If you&#8217;re raising or know someone who is, please <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">send us your deck via DM</a>.</p></div><h2>&#128218; Bibliography</h2><p><strong>Founder voice, primary sources:</strong></p><ol><li><p>Behind the Craft (Peter Yang), <em><a href="https://creatoreconomy.so/p/the-hidden-rules-behind-successful-ai-products-chris-pedregal">The 5 Hidden Rules Behind Successful AI Products: Chris Pedregal (Granola)</a></em>, Jan 19, 2025</p></li><li><p>Every / AI &amp; I (Dan Shipper), <em><a href="https://every.to/podcast/the-secret-to-building-sticky-ai-products">The Secret to Building Sticky AI Products</a></em>, Dec 2024</p></li><li><p>Invest Like the Best (Patrick O&#8217;Shaughnessy), <em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NBDSe4jmLmcEo8XHas94q">Chris Pedregal: Building Granola, EP.412</a></em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NBDSe4jmLmcEo8XHas94q">, Feb 25, 2025</a></p></li><li><p>The MAD Podcast (Matt Turck, FirstMark), <em><a href="https://podscan.fm/podcasts/the-mad-podcast-with-matt-turck/episodes/how-to-build-a-beloved-ai-product-granola-ceo-chris-pedregal">How to Build a Beloved AI Product: Granola CEO Chris Pedregal</a></em>, Aug 21, 2025</p></li><li><p>Generative Now (Lightspeed, Mike Mignano), <em><a href="https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/generativenow/episodes/Chris-Pedregal--Sam-Stephenson-Making-Meetings-More-Effective-with-Granola-e32rhbo">Chris Pedregal + Sam Stephenson: Making Meetings More Effective with Granola</a></em>, May 15, 2025</p></li><li><p>Lightspeed (written), <em><a href="https://lsvp.com/stories/generative-london-how-to-win-ais-app-layer-with-granola/">Generative London: How to Win AI&#8217;s App Layer, with Granola</a></em>, May 15, 2025</p></li><li><p>The Cognitive Revolution (Nathan Labenz), <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dohAchPzU">Sam Stephenson on Granola&#8217;s design philosophy</a></em>, April 2026</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkKfZMgJZ28&amp;t">South Park Commons, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkKfZMgJZ28&amp;t">Granola</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkKfZMgJZ28&amp;t">, March 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5QZ8bT5hc&amp;t">Pathfounders, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5QZ8bT5hc&amp;t">Sam Stephenson on the Series C</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5QZ8bT5hc&amp;t">, Feb 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_Yb81Cbas&amp;t">Scaling Europe, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_Yb81Cbas&amp;t">Granola</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_Yb81Cbas&amp;t">, March 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbGQaAXZ5UU">EO Studio, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbGQaAXZ5UU">Chris Pedregal on Granola</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbGQaAXZ5UU">, January 2026</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-K8PYZXM3w&amp;t">Human in the Loop, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-K8PYZXM3w&amp;t">Granola</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-K8PYZXM3w&amp;t">, September 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306frHXyw_Y&amp;t">Dive Club (Ridd), </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306frHXyw_Y&amp;t">Sam Stephenson: The journey of designing an AI product</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306frHXyw_Y&amp;t">, Mar 28, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-80BuEbPYE&amp;t">Zapier, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-80BuEbPYE&amp;t">Granola</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-80BuEbPYE&amp;t">, October 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIDLAKDkR8M&amp;t">Product Talk, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIDLAKDkR8M&amp;t">Chris Pedregal</a></em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIDLAKDkR8M&amp;t">,</a> August 2025</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQZrWps1Xs&amp;t">Speed Podcast, </a><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQZrWps1Xs&amp;t">Sam Stephenson: From Designer to $250M Founder in Two Years</a></em>, Sep 11, 2025</p></li></ol><p><strong>Long-form journalism and analysis:</strong></p><ol start="21"><li><p>The Information, <em><a href="https://www.theinformation.com/articles/granola-ai-note-taking-grabbed-silicon-valleys-attention">How Granola, and AI Note Taking, Grabbed Silicon Valley&#8217;s Attention</a></em>, Jul 12, 2025</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.upstartsmedia.com/p/granola-ai-meeting-notes-eat">Upstarts Media (Alex Konrad), </a><em><a href="https://www.upstartsmedia.com/p/granola-ai-meeting-notes-eat">Can Granola&#8217;s AI meeting notes eat bigger apps for breakfast?</a></em><a href="https://www.upstartsmedia.com/p/granola-ai-meeting-notes-eat">, Apr 2, 2025</a></p></li><li><p>Upstarts Media (Alex Konrad), <em><a href="https://www.upstartsmedia.com/p/granola-launches-recipes">&#8216;I Had To Close My Laptop&#8217;: Granola Adds Coaching, Recipes To Its AI Meeting Notes</a></em>, Sep 30, 2025</p></li><li><p>Fast Company, <em><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/91497900/granola-chris-pedregal-interview">This AI note-taking startup thinks it&#8217;s building the &#8216;steering wheel&#8217; for chatbots</a></em>, Feb 25, 2026</p></li><li><p>Reworked, <em><a href="https://www.reworked.co/digital-workplace/granola-raises-125m-launches-enterprise-context-tools/">Granola Lands $125M to Turn Meetings Into AI Memory</a></em>, Mar 25, 2026</p></li><li><p><a href="https://overtheanthill.substack.com/p/granola">Over the Anthill, </a><em><a href="https://overtheanthill.substack.com/p/granola">Granola: The AI Note-Taker with Big Plans</a></em><a href="https://overtheanthill.substack.com/p/granola">, Jun 22, 2025</a></p></li></ol><p><strong>Funding and milestone announcements:</strong></p><ol start="28"><li><p>TechCrunch, <em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/25/granola-raises-125m-hits-1-5b-valuation-as-it-expands-from-meeting-notetaker-to-enterprise-ai-app/">Granola raises $125M, hits $1.5B valuation as it expands from meeting notetaker to enterprise AI app</a></em>, Mar 25, 2026</p></li><li><p>Bloomberg, <em><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-25/ai-notetaker-granola-hits-1-5-billion-value-in-125-million-funding">AI Notetaker Granola Hits $1.5 Billion Value in $125 Million Funding</a></em>, Mar 25, 2026</p></li><li><p>Sifted, <em><a href="https://sifted.eu/articles/ai-notetaking-startup-granola-hits-unicorn-status">AI notetaking startup Granola hits unicorn status</a></em>, Mar 25, 2026</p></li><li><p>SiliconANGLE, <em><a href="https://siliconangle.com/2026/03/25/granola-raises-125m-1-5b-valuation-ai-note-taking-app/">Granola raises $125M at $1.5B valuation for its AI note-taking app</a></em>, Mar 25, 2026</p></li><li><p>BusinessWire, <em><a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250514342646/en/Granola-Launches-AI-Workspace-for-Teams-and-Raises-$43M-Series-B">Granola Launches AI Workspace for Teams and Raises $43M Series B</a></em>, May 14, 2025</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch, <em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/22/granola-debuts-an-ai-notepad-for-meetings/">Granola debuts an AI notepad for meetings</a></em>, May 22, 2024</p></li></ol><p><strong>Granola&#8217;s own blog:</strong></p><ol start="36"><li><p><em><a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/series-c">Granola raises $125M to put your company&#8217;s context to work</a></em>, Mar 25, 2026</p></li><li><p><em><a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/granola-mcp">Introducing Granola MCP</a></em>, Feb 4, 2026</p></li><li><p><em><a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/granola-integrations-complete-guide-connecting-meeting-tools">Granola integrations: complete guide to connecting your meeting tools</a></em>, Mar 20, 2026</p></li><li><p><em><a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/say-hello-to-recipes">Introducing Recipes, in the all-new Granola Chat</a></em>, Sep 30, 2025</p></li><li><p><em><a href="https://www.granola.ai/blog/series-a">Granola raises $20M (Series A blog)</a></em>, Oct 2024. Has the 10-week retention stat.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.granola.ai/updates">Granola Updates page</a>. Feature changelog and timeline source of truth.</p></li></ol><p><strong>Analyst and market data:</strong></p><ol start="42"><li><p>Sacra, <a href="https://sacra.com/c/granola/">Granola company profile</a> (the Superhuman strategy frame, the 57% leadership user breakdown)</p></li><li><p>Sacra, <em><a href="https://sacra.com/research/granola-vs-zoom/">Granola vs Zoom</a></em> (the $0.25/min &#8594; $0.02/min transcription cost-collapse data)</p></li><li><p>a16z, <em><a href="https://a16z.com/100-gen-ai-apps-6/">The Top 100 Gen AI Consumer Apps, 6th Edition</a></em> (Olivia Moore + Anish Acharya), Mar 9, 2026</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/granola">Crunchbase, Granola company profile</a></p></li></ol><p><strong>Notetaker wave context:</strong></p><ol start="50"><li><p><a href="https://halisiconsults.com/uncategorized/fireflies-hits-1-billion-valuation-a-blueprint-in-smart-scaling/">Halisi, </a><em><a href="https://halisiconsults.com/uncategorized/fireflies-hits-1-billion-valuation-a-blueprint-in-smart-scaling/">Fireflies Hits $1 Billion Valuation</a></em><a href="https://halisiconsults.com/uncategorized/fireflies-hits-1-billion-valuation-a-blueprint-in-smart-scaling/">, Jun 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20251222704206/en/Otter.ai-Caps-Transformational-2025-with-%24100M-ARR-Milestone-Industry-first-AI-Meeting-Agents-and-Global-Enterprise-Expansion">Otter.ai blog/BusinessWire, </a><em><a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20251222704206/en/Otter.ai-Caps-Transformational-2025-with-%24100M-ARR-Milestone-Industry-first-AI-Meeting-Agents-and-Global-Enterprise-Expansion">$100M ARR Milestone</a></em><a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20251222704206/en/Otter.ai-Caps-Transformational-2025-with-%24100M-ARR-Milestone-Industry-first-AI-Meeting-Agents-and-Global-Enterprise-Expansion">, Dec 22, 2025</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/19/ai-notetaker-fathom-raises-17m/">TechCrunch, </a><em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/19/ai-notetaker-fathom-raises-17m/">AI notetaker Fathom raises $17M</a></em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/19/ai-notetaker-fathom-raises-17m/">, Sep 19, 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/28/read-ai-raises-50m-to-integrate-its-bot-with-slack-email-and-more/">TechCrunch, </a><em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/28/read-ai-raises-50m-to-integrate-its-bot-with-slack-email-and-more/">Read AI raises $50M</a></em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/28/read-ai-raises-50m-to-integrate-its-bot-with-slack-email-and-more/">, Oct 28, 2024</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/04/plaud-launches-a-new-ai-pin-and-a-desktop-meeting-notetaker/">TechCrunch, </a><em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/04/plaud-launches-a-new-ai-pin-and-a-desktop-meeting-notetaker/">Plaud launches a new AI pin and a desktop meeting notetaker</a></em><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/04/plaud-launches-a-new-ai-pin-and-a-desktop-meeting-notetaker/">, Jan 4, 2026</a></p></li></ol><div><hr></div><p><strong>If you enjoyed this, you might like:</strong></p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/perplexity-growth-playbook-450m-arr">Perplexity&#8217;s Growth Playbook: 0 &#8594; $450M ARR in 3.5 years</a></p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook">How Harvey AI Hit $200M+ ARR in 36 Months</a></p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">How Lovable Reached $400M ARR</a></p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-freepik-hit-100m-users-with-0">How Freepik Hit 100M Users With &#8364;0 in Venture Capital</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Perplexity's Growth Playbook: 0 → $450M ARR in 3.5 years]]></title><description><![CDATA[How compounding trust built a $20B threat to Google.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/perplexity-growth-playbook-450m-arr</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/perplexity-growth-playbook-450m-arr</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:02:51 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. 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Based on 10+ podcasts and long-form interviews (20VC x2, YC, HBS, and others), plus press from the FT, and TechCrunch, research from Sacra and Contrary, and Perplexity's own blog. All revenue figures sourced. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>Act 1: The Answer Engine</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png" width="1456" height="2003" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:2003,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:310545,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/193346238?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xMBv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8a81965-b4af-46d5-b411-223405c085fa_1489x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>$0 to $80M ARR. August 2022 to December 2024.</h3><h4>The founding accident</h4><p>Perplexity almost didn&#8217;t build the product that made them famous.</p><p>The company was founded in August 2022 by <strong><a href="https://x.com/AravSrinivas">Aravind</a></strong> (CEO, ex-OpenAI), <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/denisyarats/">Denis</a></strong> (CTO, ex-Meta AI), <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/hjohnny/">Johnny</a></strong> (CSO, ex-Quora), and <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andykon/">Andy</a></strong> (co-founder of Databricks). </p><p>These are four people with world-class AI research backgrounds who, by Aravind&#8217;s own admission, <em>&#8220;started the company without actually having a clear idea of what to build&#8221;. </em>Which is interesting considering how many times I&#8217;ve heard from &#8220;tier 1 VC&#8217;s&#8221; that they only back founders that are completing their &#8220;life&#8217;s work&#8221;:</p><div 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/perplexity-ai#financials">Crunchbase</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Their first product was called Bird SQL, which basically let you search Twitter using plain English. You could type something like &#8220;Who is Lex Fridman following that Elon Musk is also following?&#8221; and the system would translate that into a database query and return the answer.</p><p>In February 2023, Twitter killed free API access and that product died overnight. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fc-e!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844eabf2-379a-4d08-a413-7f8311f07f02_980x488.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fc-e!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844eabf2-379a-4d08-a413-7f8311f07f02_980x488.jpeg 424w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fc-e!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844eabf2-379a-4d08-a413-7f8311f07f02_980x488.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fc-e!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844eabf2-379a-4d08-a413-7f8311f07f02_980x488.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Fc-e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F844eabf2-379a-4d08-a413-7f8311f07f02_980x488.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://x.com/perplexity_ai/status/1603441221753372673">Source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>But something else had been happening inside the company. <strong>They&#8217;d built a Slack bot</strong> that plugged into GPT-3.5 and let the team ask it questions.</p><p>The first question was about health insurance (their first employee needed a plan) and nobody on the founding team knew anything about it. The problem was that the <strong>Slack bot made things up</strong>, a problem we are all too familiar with in this AI era. </p><p>It (confidently) gave wrong answers about insurance plans, providers, coverage details, etc. Which was the known failure mode of every AI chatbot at that time. You probably remember how the internet was full of <strong>screenshots mocking AI mistakes</strong>.</p><p>But this lit up the idea that built the company.</p><p>Aravind and his co-founder Denis had both been academics. And in academic publishing, there is one hard rule, and that&#8217;s that <strong>every sentence you write must be backed by a citation from a peer-reviewed paper</strong> or your own experimental results.</p><p>They decided to force the AI to follow that rule. So not a chatbot that happens to cite sources, but instead <strong>a system architecturally designed so the AI can only say things it can find evidence for</strong> on the internet.</p><p>They also made a decision at founding which was NOT to try to build their own AI model. <a href="https://fortune.com/article/perplexity-ceo-aravind-srinivas-ai/">As Aravind told Fortune</a>: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;It was a decision driven through conviction and pragmatism. Pragmatism because we were broke. Conviction in that it was already clear that AI models would become increasingly commoditized.&#8221; </em></p></blockquote><p>They used OpenAI&#8217;s GPT-3.5, available on a pay-per-query basis, and focused all their energy on the <strong>search</strong>, <strong>retrieval</strong>, and the <strong>orchestration layer</strong>.</p><p>One of their early seed investors, <a href="https://youtu.be/IsScahXkvMk?si=BKA6PTW4CtJ5nAPf&amp;t=133">a former Googler, told Aravind directly</a>: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The reason [AI] is going viral right now is because people want to laugh at AI&#8217;s mistakes. Your product is designed to not make mistakes, you are always pulling sources. I don&#8217;t think this will work.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><p>Aravind ignored him and they were off to the races.</p><h3>Growth Lever 1: Trust as a growth engine</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;Don&#8217;t blame the user for not having a good prompt. Blame the AI for not being able to help them expand to a good prompt.&#8221; - Aravind.</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg" width="1024" height="485" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:485,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:47816,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Google por fin habla sobre el caso Acer-Alibaba-Aliyun&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Google por fin habla sobre el caso Acer-Alibaba-Aliyun" title="Google por fin habla sobre el caso Acer-Alibaba-Aliyun" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XkBL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4f40aa0c-0cba-435e-b05b-4fdbe16fe243_1024x485.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>First a quick primer on perplexity vs traditional search:</p><ul><li><p><strong>&#8220;Traditional&#8221; Search</strong>: You ask Google a question, you get ten blue links, you click three of them, you read two and piece together an answer yourself.</p></li><li><p><strong>ChatGPT Search</strong>: generates answers from its training data, which means it is drawing from memory (and as mentioned above, hallucinations happen).</p></li><li><p><strong>Perplexity Search</strong>: they do that work for you. It searches the web, reads the relevant pages, and a clean answer with footnotes to every claim. It generates answers from live web search results (drawing from evidence), and when the evidence conflicts or doesn&#8217;t exist, the system says so instead of making something up. Basically <strong>a research assistant</strong> who shows their homework.</p></li></ul><p>They also built a feature they originally called &#8220;Copilot&#8221; (now Pro Search) that asks clarifying questions before answering. </p><p>This matters for growth because it means even a vague question produces a great answer, which means more positive first experiences, which means more word of mouth. As you&#8217;ll see further down, their <strong>growth team runs a bunch of these 1% experiments</strong>, which staked together explains a lot of their growth story. </p><p>Why does trust matter so much for growth? </p><p>Because their citation architecture made the product more accurate and therefore <strong>made it recommendable</strong>. We&#8217;ve all been through that fear of double, tripple checking AI generated answers. In this case they figure out part of their growth loop went through making users share a Perplexity answer with a colleague and <strong>say &#8220;look, here are the sources&#8221; without risk(ish)</strong>.</p><p>The retention data seems to back this up with <a href="https://www.arcade.dev/blog/user-retention-in-ai-platforms-metrics/">c.85% of users who try Perplexity returning</a>, and <strong>90% of users coming back within 30 days of their first visit</strong>. Direct traffic (people typing perplexity.ai into their browser or using a bookmark) accounts for 82% of all visits as of mid-2025, and the vast majority of usage comes from <strong>people who already know and trust the product</strong>.</p><p>One more data point I loved is that the <strong>average Perplexity query is 9 words long</strong>, versus 3-4 words on Google. So users write longer, more specific questions because they&#8217;ve learned the system can handle complexity, same pull you probably feel when you decide to go to OpenAI vs asking Google. </p><p>This in itself is an interesting <strong>data flywheel</strong>, because longer queries give Perplexity more context, which produces better answers, which drives retention.</p><p>Hold onto the word &#8220;trust&#8221; because its basically the architecture that earned Perplexity the right to charge $271/mo and hold your credit card, and <strong>every lever below is a brick in that architecture.</strong></p><h3>Growth Lever 2: The three-query activation threshold</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>"In a product-led growth (PLG) strategy, the product is the primary driver of customer acquisition, activation, engagement, and monetization." - Elena Verna</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 1272w, 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media&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="CDN media" title="CDN media" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c597!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e5152c0-c993-4cb0-91cc-d5ee485ed42d_1260x900.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://onboardme.substack.com/p/timing-is-everything-inside-perplexity-growth-engine-playbook-user-activation">Source</a>: by @wyndo</figcaption></figure></div><p>Another of Perplexity&#8217;s growth levers is that <strong>you don&#8217;t have to sign up to use it</strong>. Which creates a specific challenge that <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Wyndo&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:556836,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zTXR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ac42946-717d-4e50-8477-551c5d7a3025_1638x1638.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;80aa91af-feb5-4f75-a65c-bb7625228629&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> <a href="https://onboardme.substack.com/p/timing-is-everything-inside-perplexity-growth-engine-playbook-user-activation">mapped out well</a>: </p><blockquote><p><em>how do you convert anonymous visitors into retained users?</em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramanrmalik/">Raman Malik</a>, Perplexity&#8217;s Head of Growth (ex-Lyft) says <strong>the growth team worked backwards from retained users</strong>. They looked at everyone who was still active at day 30 and day 60, then examined what those users did differently in their very first session.</p><p>The pattern they found is that <strong>users who hit 3 queries in their first session </strong>retained at dramatically higher rates. 3 queries is enough time in the product to understand the value and became<strong> the team&#8217;s north star</strong>: <em>get new users to three queries in their first session.</em> </p><p>Raman&#8217;s target was <strong>30% of all logged-out visitors hitting this milestone</strong>.</p><p>The obvious way to force engagement is to add a signup gate at query 5 in the common style of &#8220;You&#8217;ve used your free queries, create an account to continue.&#8221;, which usually works for conversion, activations go up, but it also kills query volume. </p><p>People hit the gate, get annoyed, and leave, so you&#8217;ve juiced one metric (activations) while hurting another (total searches, which drive the data flywheel). </p><p>Interesting trade-off:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Those are the trickiest ones to navigate. How do I value those two things down the road? Will that activated user retain and over time make up for the initial loss in query volume?&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><p>Their answer was <strong>progressive, device-specific friction</strong> (instead of a hard gate):</p><ul><li><p><strong>On mobile browsers</strong>: a full-screen signup takeover blocks further searches</p></li><li><p><strong>On desktop browsers</strong>: a softer half-screen prompt appears but users can keep searching. It only escalates to a full takeover by search #5</p></li><li><p><strong>On the mobile app</strong>: nothing.</p></li></ul><p>They figured out each surface has a different user intent. Mobile web is transactional, so a hard prompt converts. Desktop users tab-hop, so a soft prompt keeps them searching. And App users already committed by installing, so <strong>interrupting them hurts more than it helps.</strong></p><p>The friction only works because Perplexity has already hooked you 2x before the prompt shows up:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Rotating homepage queries:</strong> Instead of a blank search box, the homepage cycles through trending, engineered suggestions. It kills blank-page paralysis and hand-delivers new users into their first good experience.</p></li><li><p><strong>Related searches at the bottom of every answer:</strong> Same trick Google uses, but tuned to pull you deeper into the rabbit hole. By the time you&#8217;ve clicked through two or three of these, you&#8217;ve hit the 3-query threshold without realizing you were being activated.</p></li></ol><p>So by the time the signup prompt appears, the user <strong>has already felt the &#8220;aha.&#8221;</strong></p><p>The biggest takeaway here is that activation shouldn&#8217;t be thought of as a gate but rather <strong>as a tiered system</strong>. </p><h3>Growth Lever 3: The partnership distribution machine</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;We can go out and scream from the mountain tops about Perplexity, but it is a lot better when someone else is telling you to use it&#8221;</em> - Raman Malik</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg" width="800" height="199" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:199,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:17009,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Perplexity x Snapchat: A Smart Distribution Play | Mostafa ElBermawy posted  on the topic | LinkedIn&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Perplexity x Snapchat: A Smart Distribution Play | Mostafa ElBermawy posted  on the topic | LinkedIn" title="Perplexity x Snapchat: A Smart Distribution Play | Mostafa ElBermawy posted  on the topic | LinkedIn" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Wiv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36284cab-6dbe-4b9e-b52b-927d290d6e0c_800x199.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>About 80% of Perplexity&#8217;s growth is organic word of mouth, but the remaining <strong>20% comes from a partnership strategy</strong> that their <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmitryshevelenko/">CBO Dmitry Shevelenko</a> built into a machine. He joined from Uber (4 years), and before that was at Facebook when it had 500 employees and 80 million users. The man knows distribution.</p><p>Their playbook was to give away a year of Perplexity Pro ($20/month subscription) through partners who already have your target audience.</p><p>The list tells the story: </p><ul><li><p><strong>LinkedIn</strong> (free Pro for premium members)</p></li><li><p><strong>Samsung</strong> (pre-installed on all 2025 TV models with 12-month free Pro)</p></li><li><p><strong>Airtel</strong> (India's largest telecom, with 360M+ Indian subscribers)</p></li><li><p><strong><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lenny Rachitsky&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:1849774,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afba5161-65bb-4d99-8d6b-cce660917fa1_1540x1540.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;6e6901a1-1802-4095-b118-c3362b68521f&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span></strong> &#8217;s newsletter (free Pro for paid subscribers)</p></li><li><p><strong>PayPal</strong>/<strong>Venmo</strong> (12-month free Pro)</p></li><li><p><strong>Snapchat</strong> (search integration reaching nearly a billion users)</p></li></ul><p>The unit economics are elegant because in theory if a partner gives away 100K free Pro accounts, and 80% of those people never actually use the product, Perplexity&#8217;s variable cost on those 80,000 dormant accounts is close to zero. They only incur inference costs when someone sends a query, and the 20,000 who do use it enter the conversion funnel.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We have a phenomenal Partnerships team. They are absolute sharks.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Not everything in this era was smooth though as they&#8217;ve had their fair share of hiccups with Forbes, Cond&#233; Nast, The New York Times, and Dow Jones all suing or issued cease-and-desists over Perplexity reproducing their content without licensing.</p><p>The tension they create for them is clear because an answer engine reduces clicks to the publishers who wrote the content in the first place. So they responded in 2024 with a <strong>$42.5M publisher revenue-share program</strong>, splitting ad revenue with sources whose content appears in answers. </p><p>Apparently the lawsuits haven&#8217;t fully resolved but growth hasn&#8217;t slowed either.</p><h3>Growth Lever 4: Retention over acquisition (and the Lyft lesson)</h3><div class="pullquote"><p> &#8220;This is not an acquisition problem. This is a retention problem.&#8221;</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg" width="1456" height="760" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:760,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Lyft: Riding is the new Driving &#8226; Ads of the World&#8482; | Part of The Clio  Network&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Lyft: Riding is the new Driving &#8226; Ads of the World&#8482; | Part of The Clio  Network" title="Lyft: Riding is the new Driving &#8226; Ads of the World&#8482; | Part of The Clio  Network" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eAAQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d30e7a5-3638-4758-9f9a-2bf514912cbf_2200x1148.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.adsoftheworld.com/campaigns/riding-is-the-new-driving">Source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The first thing the VP Growth did when he joined was to map the entire funnel, and attention went straight to retention. It was &#8220;pretty healthy consumer retention.&#8221; But he double-clicked on something often overlooked:</p><blockquote><p><em>a 10% improvement in retention raises the entire water level of your active user base, and it compounds.</em></p></blockquote><p>Two tactics drove the biggest retention gains:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Cross-device conversion: </strong>Users on both desktop and mobile retained at significantly higher rates. Desktop during work hours, and mobile on the couch. </p></li><li><p><strong>Audience mix-shifting:</strong> Casual &#8220;weekender&#8221; users asking novelty questions have lower retention than knowledge workers solving real problems. Students using Perplexity to find sources for papers are extremely sticky, so the growth team targeted acquisition toward high-retention segments, changing the composition of incoming cohorts.</p></li></ol><p>What they explicitly did NOT do is spend money on paid acquisition.</p><p>Interesting story <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPmVw1HA1o">Raman tells on the 20vc pod</a>, that he learned this lesson at Lyft, where he started his career spending millions on paid channels. One day, Lyft&#8217;s head of growth told them to <strong>turn off every single paid channel</strong> for new passengers, and signups barely moved (maybe 5-10% down), and all low-quality users dropped. Which means paid spend had been almost entirely <strong>cannibalizing organic traffic</strong>.</p><p>Also interesting his honest admission about a weakness, which can therefore be turned into a strength (plenty of evidence of sharing happening on Twitter for example): </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think sharing is inherent to the Perplexity user journey. I don&#8217;t think we have an inherent viral loop.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><h3>Growth Lever 5: The campus ground game</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>&#8220;How do we take our best students and give them everything they need to drive growth for Perplexity and build density on a campus?&#8221;</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Josh Brener of 'Silicon Valley' talks comedy writing and the 'Rude Boys on  the Lot'&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Josh Brener of 'Silicon Valley' talks comedy writing and the 'Rude Boys on  the Lot'" title="Josh Brener of 'Silicon Valley' talks comedy writing and the 'Rude Boys on  the Lot'" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AsT7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcec7e78-ccc9-4839-a437-9dd04c0e6509_3600x2400.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Raman identified <strong>students as a high-retention, high-potential audience</strong> that Perplexity was under-indexed in compared to ChatGPT, and had an obvious fit (remember citations!).</p><p>Perplexity launched a formal <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/perplexity-s-2024-campus-strategist-program">Campus Strategist Program</a> where students get a marketing budget, mentorship from the growth team, Pro accounts, and early access to features. In return, they host events, run workshops, and drive referrals through affiliate links. Large universities can have up to 100 partners.</p><p>At CMU, a campus strategist hosted &#8220;Boba &amp; Perplexity Power Hour&#8221; where 120 students explored the product over free boba tea. At Penn/Wharton, a strategist organized a speaker event featuring Raman himself, drawing 150+ students from undergrad to MBA. Great tactics for <strong><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/what-facebook-taught-me-about-building-communities-2026">step 0 of building a community.</a></strong></p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;These are not big campuses. You can build density very very quickly. And as soon as you have that initial density, then you see word of mouth start to come alive.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h3>The numbers at end of Act 1</h3><p>By December 2024: roughly $80M ARR, $900M+ raised, a $9B valuation and <strong>22 million MAU</strong>, with every major AI company copying their citations feature.</p><div><hr></div><h2>Act 2: The Platform</h2><h3>From $80M to $300M ARR, in 12 months:</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHBv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHBv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg" width="1024" height="369" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:369,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:63751,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;The ethics of AI manipulation: Should we be worried?&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="The ethics of AI manipulation: Should we be worried?" title="The ethics of AI manipulation: Should we be worried?" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHBv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHBv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHBv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jHBv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b266d08-a7fb-455b-89a2-a4c8980c39f1_1024x369.jpeg 1456w" 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 What 3 Years at Facebook Taught Me About Building a €10K MRR Community Business]]></title><description><![CDATA[The playbook I used at Facebook, then used to build and sell my own.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/what-facebook-taught-me-about-building-communities-2026</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/what-facebook-taught-me-about-building-communities-2026</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:01:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/df05f36c-c449-4b62-89bb-dc9ef0598a64_1748x1190.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:261105,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cZSP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe97599ce-bec7-4b61-b375-a480dda5c4bb_1920x1080.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Looking for an AI notetaker for your meetings? <strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">Granola is a lot more</a></strong>.</p><p>Most AI note-takers just transcribe and summarize. Granola is an AI notepad. You jot down what matters during the call, and Granola uses your notes plus the transcript to generate summaries, action items, and next steps from your point of view. The powerful part: you can chat with your notes. Write follow-up emails, pull out decisions, prep for your next meeting &#8212; all in seconds.</p><p>I don&#8217;t promote tools lightly. This one earned its place. </p><p>If you want to test it, <strong><a href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders">I&#8217;ve got a link for a free month</a></strong> &#128071;</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Get Granola Pro free for 1 month&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://go.granola.ai/startup-riders"><span>Get Granola Pro free for 1 month</span></a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1>&#127754; What 3 Years at Facebook Taught Me About Building Revenue Squared</h1><p>Hello friend,</p><p>This edition will be a little different. </p><p><a href="https://www.revenuesquared.io/">I just sold my &#8364;10K MRR side-hustle</a> to <a href="https://www.novatalent.com/">Nova</a>.</p><p>It&#8217;ll be useful for those interested in either:</p><ul><li><p>Building a community-first product, private community or vertical social network.</p></li><li><p>Or learning battle-tested tactics to build a successful community for your startup.</p></li></ul><p>So let&#8217;s get into it:</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Act I: The Facebook BJJ origin story</strong></h2><h4><strong>Finding a co-founder</strong></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xnH8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadd5053b-acec-4f35-aeb3-da6bbc031b86_1526x1006.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xnH8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadd5053b-acec-4f35-aeb3-da6bbc031b86_1526x1006.jpeg 424w, 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Looking at the social club budget, we also figured out there was a &#8220;glitch in the system&#8221;, which made it possible for us to start other clubs. Needless to say, we ended up with one martial art per day of the week including boxing, MMA, BJJ, wrestling and so on.</p><p>Some say that Zuck started training BJJ because of the trend we started &#128540;.</p><p>This was the beginning of my friendship and founding story with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgebestard/">Jorge Bestard</a>. </p><h4>Building something people want (on the right flywheel)</h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E52N!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe195d9be-0a8b-49f0-97c3-0c7a67d87bf2_1588x890.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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But none of them took off, and we both felt something was missing.</p><p>Time went by and we kept throwing things at the wall. But this time it had to tick a few boxes, since we had both switched roles and felt strongly about helping our home turf.</p><p>The criteria were:</p><ol><li><p>Build something cool</p></li><li><p>That helps our tech ecosystem grow</p></li></ol><p>And that&#8217;s how we landed on <a href="https://www.revenuesquared.io/">Revenue Squared</a>:</p><h4><strong>Problem</strong></h4><ul><li><p><strong>Tech sales is underrated:</strong> especially in the spanish-speaking world, where it is typically misunderstood (people think &#8220;car salesman&#8221;).</p></li><li><p><strong>Top talent often doesn&#8217;t even know its an option: </strong>and that it can not only be very attractive in terms of income potential, but also in terms of career fulfilment.</p></li><li><p><strong>Cleaning up your information diet and continuous learning is hard</strong>: Keeping up to date with the latest developments in sales - tooling, plabooks, market trends - is challenging, especially in a space mined with questionable &#8220;sales gurus&#8221;.</p></li><li><p><strong>Sales can be</strong> <strong>lonely: </strong>And finding a curated peer group to bounce ideas off of when you are stuck, and that helps you guide your career choices, is hard.</p></li><li><p><strong>Linkedin is bad at community:</strong> People have spent the better part of the past 10 years being &#8220;harvested&#8221;, as passive consumers of information.</p></li></ul><h4><strong>Solution</strong></h4><ul><li><p>A highly <strong>curated</strong> <strong>paid membership community</strong> for the best tech sales professionals in the Spanish-speaking world.</p></li><li><p><strong>Vision</strong>: The sales profession is understood as a great career path - <strong>attracting more talent into the tech scene</strong> in the Spanish-speaking world, both in terms of its earning potential and how interesting / prestigious the job can be.</p></li><li><p><strong>Mission: </strong>Elevate the sales profession.</p></li></ul><h4>Validating demand (through pre-selling)</h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png" width="1456" height="666" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CZFC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F262554e6-59aa-42ba-b6f8-35abd89e9ca7_1556x712.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>We both knew we didn&#8217;t want to re-invent the wheel in terms of business model, and that we wanted to get paid first before building anything to validate demand.</p><p>So here&#8217;s what we did:</p><ol><li><p>Throw our top 50 smart GTM friends in a slack channel. Mostly spanish-speaking sales leaders from unicorns and high-growth startups.</p></li><li><p>Wrote and published a sign-up form on Tally, with the value-prop and explicitly calling out that is is a paid membership community.</p></li><li><p>Scheduled 30+ interviews selecting from that list of 400+ submissions, and sent payment links to those who cleared our talent bar.</p></li></ol><p>And it worked.</p><div><hr></div><h2>Act II: The Facebook Community Playbook</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lVdw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c6099e5-8afe-4856-9f9c-52828f73ba18_2048x1985.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lVdw!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c6099e5-8afe-4856-9f9c-52828f73ba18_2048x1985.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lVdw!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c6099e5-8afe-4856-9f9c-52828f73ba18_2048x1985.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lVdw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c6099e5-8afe-4856-9f9c-52828f73ba18_2048x1985.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lVdw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c6099e5-8afe-4856-9f9c-52828f73ba18_2048x1985.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lVdw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c6099e5-8afe-4856-9f9c-52828f73ba18_2048x1985.png" width="1456" height="1411" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h4>The Spark AR Community</h4><p>There is a surprising amount of work that goes into building a successful community, especially when its a community-as-a-product.</p><p>I know because I was a Product Specialist on the Spark AR team at Facebook, working hand-in-hand with engineering and design to ship Instagram's AR camera effects. We built the <strong>community as a product lever</strong> because we saw the opportunity.</p><p>My team launched these filters in 2017, and went from zero to hundreds of millions of daily active users, over 1 billion unique camera effects used, and suddenly thousands of creators making a living off of building these filters.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3yYj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7299b6f4-98f6-4f37-b1a4-d0e3371c7b10_1068x570.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3yYj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7299b6f4-98f6-4f37-b1a4-d0e3371c7b10_1068x570.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The Spark AR Community grew to over 100,000 members. It was considered internally as a source of competitive advantage for the platform. And we proved with data that community creators were significantly more likely to publish effects and retain as active developers.</p><p>When we started Revenue Squared, we took those learnings and applied them.</p><p>Here are the top 10:</p><div><hr></div><h3>1. Build the MVP where they already are</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png" width="1430" height="710" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:710,&quot;width&quot;:1430,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0nFI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd96dfc9e-7247-4f37-a302-f4a3a1fcbce0_1430x710.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>At Facebook, we built the Spark community on Facebook Groups. We looked at a bunch of options (custom platform, standalone app, stack overflow, etc). We chose Groups because creators were already logged in, already had notifications turned on, already had the muscle memory of checking their feed every day. </p><p>Whenever someone asks me about this I use a <strong>freeway analogy</strong>. </p><p>Your community is a town. The platforms your audience already uses every day are freeways. For salespeople, the two biggest freeways are LinkedIn and Slack. They're already on both, every single day, with notifications on. So we built our town right at that intersection. The Slack community was where members lived. LinkedIn was how new people found us.</p><p>The point is, don't make people take a detour to reach you. <strong>Build where the traffic already is.</strong></p><p>The temptation is always to build something custom. Resist it for as long as you can.</p><p>Our R2 tech stack at launch was: </p><ul><li><p>Tally (forms)</p></li><li><p>Webflow (website)</p></li><li><p>Slack (community)</p></li><li><p>Stripe (payments)</p></li><li><p>Google Meets (workshops)</p></li></ul><p>That&#8217;s it. We didn&#8217;t add Podia, Luma, etc until we had 150+ members.</p><div><hr></div><h3>2. Find your first 50 &#8220;kindling members&#8221; + MVP</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0v3G!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80db6845-dd0d-4417-a0db-05e905c7080e_972x600.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0v3G!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80db6845-dd0d-4417-a0db-05e905c7080e_972x600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0v3G!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80db6845-dd0d-4417-a0db-05e905c7080e_972x600.jpeg 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Andrew Chen&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:108324,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e1b8990d-fb04-4d9e-8c4b-c8ed9990cca9_1201x1201.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;54802e99-c05f-48c5-9a95-aace57e850b2&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> calls this the &#8220;<strong>atomic network</strong>&#8221; in <a href="https://www.coldstart.com/">The Cold Start Problem</a>. Which means the smallest possible group of users that can sustain the network on its own. </p><p>Tinder for example did it by throwing a campus party where 500 students downloaded the app in one night. LinkedIn did it by having employees and investors invite their professional contacts. And Reddit literally faked early activity with multiple accounts to make the community feel alive.</p><p>At Facebook, the first Spark AR creators were <strong>hand-picked</strong>. My team identified the most talented AR creators we could find (create + technical usually), gave them early beta access, and brought them in one by one. These first creators set the tone for everything that came after. They built the best effects, answered other creators&#8217; questions, and gave feedback that shaped the product roadmap. </p><p>It was also super cool to see how excited our own Engineers got when they saw real people building amazing stuff in real time, collaborating, commenting and so on.</p><p>With R2, we ran the same playbook. Jorge and I had deep networks across tech sales from Facebook, Bloomreach, Canva, Miro and so on. Our first 50 members came from personal relationships. We literally threw our smartest GTM friends in a Slack channel. Then we started hosting dinners in Madrid and Barcelona, bringing together talented revenue professionals we thought we&#8217;d enjoy hanging out with. Every dinner was oversubscribed and word-of-mouth did the rest.</p><p>You cannot crowdsource your founding members, you need to hand-pick them very carefully because they are your kindling. And without kindling, there&#8217;s no fire.</p><p>This is also super important for any startup thinking of bolting on a community for &#8220;support purposes&#8221;. As we discussed in our recent <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">Growth Playbook about Lovable&#8217;s journey to 400M in ARR</a>, most communities become dumping grounds for negative sentiment if you don&#8217;t get this step right.</p><div><hr></div><h3>3. Kill the cold-start problem with curated seeding and setting the tone for culture</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png" width="1088" height="218" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:218,&quot;width&quot;:1088,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:75469,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNLy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F763cbc84-f23b-4541-806f-ac183ae4d015_1088x218.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The thing nobody talks about but is crucial in the early days of any community, and also the most anxiety inducing, is that <strong>the biggest risk is silence</strong>. People join, see nothing happening, and leave. </p><p>At Facebook, we seeded the Spark AR group with content every day. Tutorials, creator spotlights, product updates, detailed comments to work showcases, announcing bug fixes. </p><p>I remember some of our most amazing content came from our Engineers or Designers directly pushing a demo of what they were releasing on the group. Some of them were almost &#8220;superstars&#8221; in the eyes of these talented creators. </p><p>My teammates and I were in there constantly, posting, commenting, surfacing great work, from all across our org including PMs, Data Science, Research, Eng, etc.</p><p>With R2, we did the same thing. Before we had organic discussion, we seeded the Slack with <strong>data</strong>, <strong>articles</strong>, sales <strong>insights</strong>, and <strong>questions</strong> worth debating. One of our most popular channels ever is #<strong>Memes</strong>. We asked questions we actually wanted answers to and shared stuff we&#8217;d found genuinely useful.</p><p>Here&#8217;s where we found <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/luis-enrique-blas-barba/">Luisen</a> through Twitter. He was at Salesforce at the time. He joined the team to run community management, and having someone dedicated to keeping the conversation alive made all the difference. But most importantly, he had a <strong>great pulse on culture</strong>, and maintaining that tone across all our channels.</p><div><hr></div><h3>4. Charge from Day 1</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png" width="728" height="317.3625" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:279,&quot;width&quot;:640,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:728,&quot;bytes&quot;:207828,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Payday Conor Mcgregor GIF - Payday Conor Mcgregor Ufc - Descubre y comparte  GIF&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Payday Conor Mcgregor GIF - Payday Conor Mcgregor Ufc - Descubre y comparte  GIF" title="Payday Conor Mcgregor GIF - Payday Conor Mcgregor Ufc - Descubre y comparte  GIF" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BGkR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a35b63-d20b-4d1b-8a94-4af0d53447db_640x279.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>We started at &#8364;20/month, then raised to &#8364;30/month as demand grew, and experimented with a few different payment plans.</p><p>Charging did three things surprisingly well:</p><ol><li><p><strong>It filtered for quality,</strong> especially in a geo less prone to pay for stuff. People who pay are people who are serious about getting value and contributing. </p></li><li><p><strong>It raised engagement</strong>. When you pay for something, you tend to use it way more.</p></li><li><p><strong>It validated demand continuously.</strong> Every renewal was a signal that the product was working.</p></li></ol><p>Of the 400+ that applied through our Tally form, we interviewed 30+ in the first few weeks. Only those who cleared our talent bar got a payment link, which set a high bar and <strong>created scarcity</strong>. </p><p>The scarcity drove word-of-mouth and word-of-mouth fed the top of funnel.</p><p>The bottom line is that, even though it does require some courage, <strong>when you charge for access the people who get in are the people who care.</strong></p><div><hr></div><h3>5. Measure everything (the Vader Score)</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png" width="1023" height="399" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:399,&quot;width&quot;:1023,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:406351,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FM51!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F016b80b2-5a20-4c8f-9226-ac48927df342_1023x399.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>When the Spark AR community started growing fast, it became impossible to manually track what people wanted, what was broken, and how they felt about the product. So I built a system.</p><p>It analysed every comment and post from the community every day and overlaid a <strong>sentiment analysis algorithm</strong> (called the Vader Score). This let me build dashboards with word clouds showing what came up most often, a data-driven approach to counting and prioritizing feature requests, and a per-feature sentiment tracker so engineers could see exactly how creators felt about the specific features they were working on.</p><p>It was like assembling an <strong>NPS score from raw community chatter</strong> and tracking how it evolved over time. It was great because it allowed us to pull on different product, bugs and other leaves that moved creator sentiment from 3.8 to 4.5+ out of 5 stars over the course of a year.</p><p>I also built what I called the &#8220;<strong>Signal Triangulation Program</strong>,&#8221; bringing together Design, Research, Data Science and Product Marketing to cross-reference community signal with quantitative data and qualitative research, which became the foundation for how the Spark team made quality planning decisions.</p><p>At Revenue Squared, we applied a simpler version of the same idea. We paid close attention to which Slack channels had the most activity, what types of questions people were asking, and where the energy was. Even though Slack provides pretty meh analytics, we were also able to infer some insights to act on. </p><p>This is how we discovered that the <strong>#hiring channel</strong> was way more valuable than we expected, that the <strong>#anonymous channel</strong> was where the deepest value lived, and that people wanted in person events and workshops more than we thought.</p><div><hr></div><h3>6. 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>There is a magic number in community building and in our experience with R2, the flywheel kicked in <strong>around 150 members</strong>.</p><p>Before 150, we were still pushing with seeding content, hosting everything ourselves, making sure every AMA had an audience etc. The community was getting warmer but hadn&#8217;t yet taken off.</p><p>After 150, the <strong>peer-to-peer value flywheel activated</strong>. People started answering each other&#8217;s questions before we could. The #anonymous channel became a place where someone could post a complex sales problem and get lots of thoughtful responses within hours. </p><p>People were posting about whether to stay or leave their current job, sharing real compensation numbers for negotiation help, and working through difficult management conversations together. The <strong>#hiring channel</strong> turned into the community&#8217;s most active surface, with members finding jobs and startups filling roles organically.</p><p>This is what I mean by the boulder starting to roll downhill. Before 150, you&#8217;re pushing but after 150, you&#8217;re trying to keep up. Sort of like product-market fit:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png" width="524" height="354.355" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:541,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:524,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NWxW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb63a255b-9993-4a82-a468-55ef625dffe1_800x541.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Startup Riders</figcaption></figure></div><p>Robin Dunbar&#8217;s research (which has held up for 30+ years) suggests 150 is in fact the natural group size where humans can maintain meaningful relationships, go figure! Gore-Tex discovered the same thing by accident apparently, they found that when more than 150 people worked in the same building, social problems started. So they capped every building at 150 employees with 150 parking spaces. </p><p>For building a community, you just need to be aware that there is an inflexion point at around that number. On one hand things get much easier (peer-to-peer), but on the other you have to pay attention and be ready to <strong>build process + features</strong> to help the community (and most importantly its vibe) scale appropriately.</p><div><hr></div><h3>7. In-person events as community fuel</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png" width="1199" height="674" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:674,&quot;width&quot;:1199,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:1016207,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nhMl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bfbbcbf-f312-4b9d-a24f-e438a50841e4_1199x674.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In-person events became popular. We ran networking beers in Barcelona and Madrid quarterly, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHuEM1beypk&amp;t">bigger events with keynote speakers like Gong</a>. Small executive dinners, 8-12 people max, where members came prepared with specific GTM problems they needed help solving.</p><p>These dinners were always oversubscribed and generated some of the <strong>deepest relationships in the community</strong>, and were the <strong>primary source of organic referrals</strong>. Two of my closest friends in Barcelona today are people I met in the community. Members would tell colleagues about the experience, and the waitlist grew without us doing anything.</p><p>We eventually scaled this by creating Ambassadors: 2 per city to organize the local beer events. They were stoked to represent the community. It gave them status, made them feel like owners, and it took the operational burden off of us.</p><p>My lesson here is to <strong>not underestimate in-person.</strong> In a world drowning in digital noise, putting people in a room together really is a superpower.</p><div><hr></div><h3>8. Make members feel like owners and experiment (a lot)</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png" width="922" height="845" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/aa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:845,&quot;width&quot;:922,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:318221,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kSNi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa3ba932-1165-4332-8fe9-539dfba4eecb_922x845.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>At Spark AR, some of our best product decisions came directly from creator feedback. When creators felt heard, they invested more, they reported bugs because they wanted the product to improve and they suggested features because they cared about where it was going. We tried to lean into this hard. </p><p>We gave top creators early access to unreleased features, publicly showcased amazing effects, highlighted craftsmanship etc. It was cool because some of these effects were really amazing art: 3D meshes and textures and coded animations overlayed with emerging computer vision algorithms. </p><p>We ran Online Challenges that drove 150+ participants, and the success of the first one led to scaling the program 10x. We launched inspiration posts that caused a 130% spike in group engagement. We built a mentorship program that got 500+ signups. Basically <strong>running a ton of experiments to see what struck a chord.</strong></p><p>At Revenue Squared, we applied the same principles with our own flavor. We built a diamond emoji culture: a Slack plugin tracked who received the most diamond emojis each month, and those top members got public recognition on our LinkedIn and Substack (which reached thousands of people). We ran annual sales voted &#8220;Top Performers&#8221; and gave trophies and certificates in public. We launched a bi-weekly peer to peer short 15&#8217; networking call via Lunch Roulette. And a bunch of other experiments.</p><p>When we planned changes, we shared them with the community as proposals (not announcements), we asked for input and implemented suggestions. And then, we acknowledged the people who contributed ideas.</p><p>The bottom line is to <strong>make people feel like owners</strong>, <strong>test tons of ideas,</strong> <strong>kill them fast if they don&#8217;t work</strong>, ad them to the <strong>arsenal</strong> <strong>when they do.</strong></p><div><hr></div><h3>9. Build the team around the mission</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png" width="1456" height="1078" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1078,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:407195,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LRSK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd02233a2-aa18-4d71-a095-b416d04642ba_2048x1517.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Community-as-a-product is deceptively hard to run because you are simultaneously a content producer, event organizer, moderator, recruiter, product manager and customer support agent. Across multiple surfaces, with paying members who have high expectations.</p><p>At R2, the team evolved in stages:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgebestard/">Jorge (VP EMEA at Harvey)</a> and I started everything ourselves. The first 50 members, the first dinners, the first Slack channels. But as the waitlist hit 400+ applications, we were drowning in interviews and community management on top of our day jobs.</p></li><li><p>That&#8217;s when <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alvarolopezcotelo/">Alvaro (Chief Sales Officer at Vivla)</a> joined. He had run events at Ironhack and brought edtech experience that was relevant for the workshops and training we wanted to build. He started helping with events and took over the interview pipeline.</p></li><li><p>Then <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/luis-enrique-blas-barba/">Luisen came in from Salesforce</a>. He started on community management and eventually took on a broader founder and operational role, eventually leaving Salesforce to run R2 full-time in 2025.</p></li></ul><p>Beyond the core team, we tested different profiles: </p><ul><li><p>A community manager for day-to-day Slack management</p></li><li><p>A video editor for workshop content</p></li><li><p>A professional content creator for infographics</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-barrueco-80ba6a1a9/">Julia Barrueco</a> was great in helping us design and launch our web.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alejandro-bernardo-diaz/">Alejandro from NocodeHackers</a> was super helpful in helping us build the private members area, the LMS on Podia, the CRM on Airtable, automations on Zapier, analytics dashboards and payment chasing (Stripe gives a lot of headaches, around 5% of subscribers experience card failures and you have to manually chase them)</p></li><li><p>Event management vendors for our in-person events</p></li><li><p>And we had to manage content across multiple surfaces: LinkedIn, a Substack newsletter, YouTube, Instagram and so on (plus multiple experiments).</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BmHE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d6b2bc1-89cd-43ec-974b-745fc25c459e_572x302.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BmHE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d6b2bc1-89cd-43ec-974b-745fc25c459e_572x302.png 424w, 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But a community builder creates the culture, designs the incentive structures, finds the first members, kills the cold-start problem, shapes the identity and so on. <strong>The builder is 10x harder to find</strong> (90% of the time, probably a good idea to hire within the community).</p><div><hr></div><h3>10. Build product to scale and retain</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png" width="1050" height="730" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:730,&quot;width&quot;:1050,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:270125,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!onkH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8f87e7af-fd5a-4ac8-ab30-c06f052cb887_1050x730.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>At Spark AR, I saw firsthand how the community outgrew its original surface. When we hit 40K+ members on Facebook Groups, basic things stopped working. People couldn&#8217;t find content, questions got buried, the format was constraining etc etc. </p><p>We started planning a dedicated forum (Oculus-style) and introduced new surfaces like in-app documentation, contextual help, and a creator certification program.</p><p>The same thing happened at Revenue Squared at around 200-300 members, we had a product backlog. The Slack community was great, but members wanted more.</p><p>So we started building:</p><ul><li><p><strong>A private members area</strong> with perks, a member directory (&#8221;who&#8217;s in here&#8221;), and a member book portal so people could find and connect with each other based on their profile.</p></li><li><p><strong>A learning management system on Podia</strong> with all the workshop recordings organized by level: SDR, Account Executive, Advanced. Spanish-language sales training that simply didn&#8217;t exist anywhere else.</p></li><li><p><strong>Community management tools</strong> like a chat roulette / lunch roulette for peer-to-peer mentoring on autopilot. Members would get randomly paired for a 30-minute call every couple weeks.</p></li><li><p><strong>Event management on Luma</strong> for both online AMAs and in-person events.</p></li><li><p><strong>Slack channel management</strong> that grew from 8 channels to a more complex setup with specialized topics.</p></li></ul><p>The lesson here is to keep your ear next to the ground at around 150-300 members because there is an inflexion point in volume.</p><div><hr></div><h3><strong>The value prop that emerged organically</strong></h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png" width="1456" height="313" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:313,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:500760,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/191590584?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rzie!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72602875-10f3-448e-88e4-c519ca2c7fa8_1570x337.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>One of the most fun things running R2 was watching value show up that we didn&#8217;t plan for:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Finding a job:</strong> a very active #hiring channel, with many members landing their next role from companies hiring within the community.</p></li><li><p><strong>Filling a job:</strong> startups posting open roles in the same channel.</p></li><li><p><strong>Sales insights:</strong> someone posts a complex problem in #anonymous. People navigating whether to stay or leave a company, sharing real numbers for salary negotiation, working through tough management conversations.</p></li><li><p><strong>Market intelligence:</strong> you get a high-fidelity sense of how companies are really performing by listening to their front-line troops. This helped members decide where to look for their next career move.</p></li><li><p><strong>Dealflow:</strong> many members were starting companies or connected to founders. This ended up being relevant for my day job as an investor, too.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h3><strong>LinkedIn as Top of Funnel</strong></h3><p>We knew salespeople live on LinkedIn. So we opened a LinkedIn account for Revenue Squared and started publishing content that would attract exactly the right people.</p><p>What worked:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Job listings</strong> from the community. We knew the #hiring channel was always on fire. People kept asking us to post their roles even without being members, and we said no. That became the pull.</p></li><li><p><strong>Memes.</strong> Sales is tough. Humor builds connection.</p></li><li><p><strong>GTM insights, reports and playbooks.</strong> Tactical stuff that the community was producing.</p></li><li><p><strong>Community social proof.</strong> Photos and images from events, rankings, workshop clips.</p></li><li><p><strong>Monthly top member recognition.</strong> Showcasing the best of the community to the outside world.</p></li></ol><p>This fed the Tally waitlist, which kept growing. The waitlist gave us information about people&#8217;s level of interest and helped calibrate who would have the right profiles. We kept interviewing every prospective member until a few hundred members.</p><p>At that point we <strong>built a referral mechanism</strong> on the private area (i.e. share this link and you&#8217;ll move up the waitlist), and we started <strong>introducing more friction in the application form</strong>. This gave us more information about prospective members, and helped us play by ear if we needed interviews or not. The referral and deep profile information shared was usually enough to get a good sense of approval or rejection.</p><div><hr></div><h2><a href="https://novatalent-live.github.io/r2-nova-welcome/?utm_medium=email&amp;_hsenc=p2ANqtz--ieM1fcjPb79CM3J6Ss_M-k0E7kiVByxJD4nko6v7PgIh7RdczVdFQQtHGEyN4YOsVA_qluMEozI72LW7-zbhFPYL-5Q&amp;_hsmi=133090246&amp;utm_content=133090246&amp;utm_source=hs_email">Act III: The Exit</a></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XjhM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b117035-5fdc-4bbc-8237-b3772b526396_1200x1400.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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They were building something aligned with our community&#8217;s mission at the time, and they saw in R2 what we&#8217;d built: an audience of 25K+ across <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/revenuesq2/">Linkedin</a>, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@RevenueSquared">Youtube</a> and <a href="https://revenuesquared.substack.com/">Substack</a>, <a href="https://www.revenuesquared.io/">a highly curated and engaged paid membership community</a>, with tier 1 sponsors, over 200+ learning modules sourced from real case-studies in our learning platform, and the number 1 GTM brand in the Spanish-speaking world.</p><p>The deal was modest and in equity, meaningful to me in a way that goes beyond the numbers. Many people found their next role through R2, some started companies together, and the mission and vision are still growing every day. I&#8217;m really stoked to have <a href="https://novatalent-live.github.io/r2-nova-welcome/?utm_medium=email&amp;_hsenc=p2ANqtz--ieM1fcjPb79CM3J6Ss_M-k0E7kiVByxJD4nko6v7PgIh7RdczVdFQQtHGEyN4YOsVA_qluMEozI72LW7-zbhFPYL-5Q&amp;_hsmi=133090246&amp;utm_content=133090246&amp;utm_source=hs_email">Nova give the community the resources it needs to keep growing</a>.</p><p>That&#8217;s it for this week folks.</p><p>Thanks for reading,</p><p>Ivan</p><p><em>P.s. if you want to help me out, the best thing you can do is to <strong>share my work</strong>! </em>&#128591;</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share&amp;token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ3OTU3NSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTg4NzQxNzk3LCJpYXQiOjE3NzYwMTM2NjMsImV4cCI6MTc3ODYwNTY2MywiaXNzIjoicHViLTYzMjEzIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.8OMIPPty2yPhFOp7asr5Ee74zu6h2vAuJ_BS9R7aU-Y&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share&amp;token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ3OTU3NSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTg4NzQxNzk3LCJpYXQiOjE3NzYwMTM2NjMsImV4cCI6MTc3ODYwNTY2MywiaXNzIjoicHViLTYzMjEzIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.8OMIPPty2yPhFOp7asr5Ee74zu6h2vAuJ_BS9R7aU-Y"><span>Share</span></a></p><p><strong>If you enjoyed this, you might like:</strong></p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook">How Harvey AI Hit $200M+ ARR in 36 Months</a></p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months">How Lovable Reached $400M ARR</a> </p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-freepik-hit-100m-users-with-0">How Freepik Hit 100M Users With &#8364;0 in Venture Capital</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 How Harvey Hit $200M+ ARR by Selling Trust Before Software]]></title><description><![CDATA[The expand-collapse playbook for vertical AI, from a cold email to $11B.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/harvey-ai-growth-playbook</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2026 05:01:43 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Wnb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb38dd9-1e8f-41c6-ab72-c6a3665fa779_1490x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEzG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc934ee1c-1357-4627-acdc-4cd3a198fe19_1000x563.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEzG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc934ee1c-1357-4627-acdc-4cd3a198fe19_1000x563.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEzG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc934ee1c-1357-4627-acdc-4cd3a198fe19_1000x563.webp 848w, 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The engine behind every top 1% startup is a great CRM.</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Try Attio for free&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26"><span>Try Attio for free</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h1>Harvey AI&#8217;s Growth Playbook: Putting a lawyer in everyone&#8217;s pocket.</h1><p>Hello there!</p><p>This week we&#8217;re deep diving into the growth playbook of one of the most important companies of this AI wave, <strong><a href="https://www.harvey.ai/">Harvey</a></strong>.</p><p>This is a perfect storm story where you have a combination of <strong>extreme product-market fit</strong> (LLM&#8217;s usefulness on expensive, previously time-intensive, heavily text-based work), talent and investor hunger.</p><p>In July 2022, a <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/winston-weinberg/">securities litigator</a> and a <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabepereyra/">DeepMind researcher</a> cold-emailed Sam Altman from their shared apartment in San Francisco. </p><p>The email subject line they used was on point:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><strong>&#8220;Did you know it was this good at legal?&#8221;</strong></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Klke!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb6ed713-9962-4a0d-9c39-9bcb178f52bd_750x432.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Klke!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb6ed713-9962-4a0d-9c39-9bcb178f52bd_750x432.jpeg" width="509" height="293.184" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fb6ed713-9962-4a0d-9c39-9bcb178f52bd_750x432.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:432,&quot;width&quot;:750,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:509,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Sam Altman 2021 AI Prediction (it came true) | SwipeFile&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Sam Altman 2021 AI Prediction (it came true) | SwipeFile" 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24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Attached was a proof of concept where they&#8217;d pulled 100 questions from <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/">r/legaladvice</a> (reddit), ran them through GPT-3&#8217;s API using chain-of-thought prompting before anyone was talking about chain-of-thought, and sent the outputs to practicing landlord-tenant attorneys. Turns out 86 out of 100 answers passed and nobody at OpenAI had tested this.</p><p>That email led to a July 4th pitch to OpenAI&#8217;s C-suite, a seed investment, and what became <strong><a href="https://www.harvey.ai/">Harvey</a></strong>, going from $0 to $200M+ ARR in 36 months and an $11B valuation. </p><p>Two frameworks run through the whole story:</p><ol><li><p>The first is <strong>prestige-led distribution</strong>: turns out that in professional services <em><strong>trust IS the product</strong></em><strong>.</strong> Their hypothesis was that if you win the top firms first, even though it might be much harder to wedge yourself in initially, once you are embedded into those logos trust cascades downward through the entire industry.</p></li><li><p>The second is <strong>&#8220;expand and collapse&#8221;:</strong> Build specialized AI agents for narrow legal workflows. Then collapse them back into one interface that routes users intelligently. Which has become somewhat of a blueprint or operating system for how to build a compound vertical AI company in 2026.</p></li></ol><p><strong>What you&#8217;ll learn in this edition:</strong></p><ul><li><p>How Harvey went from a cold email to $200M+ ARR in 36 months with ~460 employees</p></li><li><p>Why they targeted the hardest law firms first when every VC said start small</p></li><li><p>The &#8220;expand and collapse&#8221; product strategy that is the actual playbook for vertical AI</p></li><li><p>Why Harvey&#8217;s CEO says GRR is the metric most AI investors are dangerously ignoring</p></li><li><p>How they&#8217;re shifting from selling software seats to selling legal work through revenue-share deals</p></li></ul><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><em>&#128208; <strong>Quick note on editorial and methodology:</strong> this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain Harvey&#8217;s growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Based on 7 podcasts (20VC, Sequoia, Greylock, Kleiner Perkins, Biography Pod, This Week in Startups, Upstart Media), plus press from CNBC, TechCrunch, Bloomberg, Reuters, Sacra research, and Harvey&#8217;s own blog. All revenue figures sourced. Treat directional estimates as directional.</em></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>Act I: The Cold Email (July 2022 to Early 2024)</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Wnb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb38dd9-1e8f-41c6-ab72-c6a3665fa779_1490x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Wnb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb38dd9-1e8f-41c6-ab72-c6a3665fa779_1490x2048.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>How it started</h3><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/winston-weinberg/">Winston</a> was a first-year litigation associate at <a href="https://www.omm.com/">O&#8217;Melveny &amp; Myers</a> in Los Angeles and his cofounder and roommate <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabepereyra/">Gabe</a> had spent a couple years doing AI research at DeepMind and Meta.</p><p>Gabe had been brainstorming horizontal AI assistant ideas with friends from Google Brain, who ended up joining OpenAI and building ChatGPT. </p><p>But he went in a different direction.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Winston showed me all his legal tech. Their document search to search maybe 10,000 documents would take 5 to 10 minutes. He was like, I do the search and then I go on Instagram for a bit. The client gets billed for this.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Everything in law was text, the workflows were deeply manual and the economics were, as we all known too well when we&#8217;re billed for a couple hours of legal work, big.</p><h3>How the legal market actually works</h3><p>To understand Harvey&#8217;s growth, you have to understand the industry.</p><p>The global legal services market is roughly <strong>$900 billion </strong>(and that is the size of the market today, lets not fall into <a href="https://abovethecrowd.com/2014/07/11/how-to-miss-by-a-mile-an-alternative-look-at-ubers-potential-market-size/">the classic market sizing trap</a>). </p><p>The average US lawyer bills $352 per hour, and the top partners at elite firms bill $2,000+. The gap between a junior associate and the best partner on earth is only about 3-4x in price, which Winston thinks makes no sense and will change.</p><p>Law firms are organized around billable hours. Partners give tasks to associates, associates bill hours, and the firm collects. Typically a junior associate does the first draft, a second-year reviews it, a fifth-year reviews that, the partner reviews it one final time, and then it goes out.</p><p>This hierarchy matters for AI adoption because it means <strong>there&#8217;s a built-in human-in-the-loop review system</strong>. The minimum viable quality of an AI output can be lower for a law firm than for an in-house team, because everything gets reviewed anyway.</p><p>What excites me the most about this tech shift&#8217;s impact on Legal work is that the average price used to put legal services out of reach for most people, until now.</p><p>But the path runs through the premium market first:</p><h3>Growth lever 1: The contrarian customer choice</h3><div class="pullquote"><p>Whoever runs the work wins</p></div><p>Every VC and advisor told them to start with small firms, solo practitioners, the SMB market (<a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/board-of-directors-the-8020-on-how">not sure it is a VC&#8217;s job to tell a founder what market to go after</a>).</p><p>Instead they went straight to <a href="https://www.aoshearman.com/en">Allen &amp; Overy (now A&amp;O Shearman)</a>, one of the world&#8217;s largest law firms and signed a 4,000-person enterprise rollout.</p><p>At that time Harvey had 4 people and were working out of an Airbnb.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Some of our investors were like, this is a horrible idea. Don&#8217;t do this.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>But Winston understood something about professional services that pure technologists usually miss, which probably came from having worked and experienced how a law firm did things first hand.</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;If you earn the trust of a few of those firms, the rest of them will trust you and the rest of the firms downstream will definitely trust you. </em></p><p><em>And their clients will trust you.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The logic was both GTM and product:</p><ul><li><p>On the GTM side, prestige in professional services functions like a trust certificate. If A&amp;O trusts you with their client work, every mid-market firm will trust you too. </p></li><li><p>On the product side, the hardest work builds the most defensible systems. If you can handle a $68 billion Activision-Microsoft merger, an NDA review should be trivial. ChatGPT could already handle simple NDAs, and going down-market first means building something the models will eat in 18 months.</p></li></ul><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The thing that makes me feel better is if you get to the point where GPT-7 can just do a simple lease analysis... yeah, we&#8217;re probably done. But I&#8217;d also say pretty much every other company on earth is done.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>I think their contrarian bet here is aligned with what we called the <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/ai-systems-of-action">Systems of Action thesis a few months back</a>. Let me refresh your memory:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png" width="605" height="403.08125" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:533,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:605,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hT_V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F006cd0b1-8b9b-46ff-988f-17fc5d804e2b_800x533.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The bet Harvey took here is that intelligence will become cheaper and cheaper. </p><p>And if that happens:</p><ul><li><p>&#8220;good enough&#8221; AI is everywhere</p></li><li><p>the bottleneck is no longer <em>having</em> intelligence</p></li></ul><p>The hard problems become:</p><ul><li><p>who is allowed to decide</p></li><li><p>under which rules</p></li><li><p>with which approvals</p></li><li><p>and who is accountable when something breaks</p></li></ul><p>Which are <strong>coordination problems,</strong> not intelligence problems. You can think of coordination as deciding who does what, in what order, under which rules, and who is responsible if it goes wrong. The intelligence is not choosing the goal but rather helping move work through a system of approvals, handoffs, and constraints without humans chasing each other. In this world:</p><ul><li><p>power shifts to systems that control workflows, rules, and decisions</p></li><li><p>intelligence is a commodity</p></li><li><p><strong>whoever runs the work wins</strong></p></li></ul><p>This is similar to how Salesforce didn&#8217;t win by building better databases but by deciding how sales teams track leads, approve deals, forecast revenue, etc.</p><p>Harvey would have started as a Vertical AI tool, and if I&#8217;m right would be expanding to become a workflow builder climbing up the stack (platform).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s7bX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3773b72a-345b-40b3-84b9-9b1bcc82586b_1456x1359.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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He&#8217;d find a recent case they&#8217;d worked on (public court filings, merger agreements filed on EDGAR), and have Harvey analyze their own work.</p><p>For litigators apparently this move was pretty shocking. </p><p>He&#8217;d upload one of their own filed arguments and say: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Tell me, make holes in these arguments. How would you argue against it? </em>Lawyers are argumentative. Just let them fight with the model. They pay attention to every single word.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>Sometimes the model was wrong, especially in 2023 with early GPT-4, but that almost didn&#8217;t matter because the lawyers were reading every word, which no software demo had achieved before. </p><p>I&#8217;ve spoken on here before about talking to a lawyer friend of mine about using Harvey at work (before really knowing much about the company) and was shocked about how much value it drove for her (sharing the tool among multiple lawyers with one licence, saying <strong>it&#8217;d be incredibly painful to loose it</strong>).</p><p>Reminded me of Superhuman&#8217;s product-market fit engine and its core question:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://review.firstround.com/how-superhuman-built-an-engine-to-find-product-market-fit/">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;A lot of these products, it&#8217;s just populating text and how do you get someone to pay attention to that? Well, you tell a litigator that there might be holes in this argument and they go... but they want to prove you wrong.</em></p><p><em>And so <strong>they really pay attention.</strong>&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>This is gold for a sales team.</p><p>They&#8217;ve since productized this approach, where partners can now click one button and run their own matter through specialized workflows without prompting. Which means <strong>the thing that didn&#8217;t scale became a deployment strategy</strong>, and when partners share those workflows with their clients, it becomes distribution.</p><h3>Growth lever 3: The trust flywheel (external virality)</h3><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Our strongest product-led growth has been external virality.</em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0jSB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0833ad0d-3740-4242-ba84-cb516f472243_1514x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0jSB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0833ad0d-3740-4242-ba84-cb516f472243_1514x2048.png 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Here&#8217;s how it works: </p><ul><li><p>A private equity fund&#8217;s law firm builds a fund formation workflow on Harvey. </p></li><li><p>The firm shows it to the PE fund. </p></li><li><p>The PE fund says &#8220;we want this too.&#8221; </p></li><li><p>The PE fund is a happy customer, they start pulling in their other law firms.</p></li></ul><p>A&amp;O hit 70-80% daily usage during the initial pilot, so during the trial 3,500 lawyers asked 40,000 questions before the firm committed to a broader rollout.</p><p>Their first 50 enterprise customers were all referrals from law firm clients. By end of 2023, they had ~40 customers and were running at roughly $7M ARR (my estimate based on reported 4x growth to $50M by early 2025). </p><div><hr></div><h2>Act II: The Trust Ladder (2024 to Mid 2025)</h2><p>This is where most AI companies stall or what we&#8217;ve been calling &#8220;<strong>vibe-revenue</strong>&#8221;. Now you have to actually retain, expand and build the machine that scales. </p><p>So how did they do it?</p><h3>Growth lever 4: Expand the product, collapse the UI</h3>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 Lovable's Growth Playbook: 0 to $400M ARR in 14 Months]]></title><description><![CDATA[Lovable's growth playbook, stage by stage.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-lovable-hit-400m-arr-in-14-months</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2026 06:01:38 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fn3S!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2536c281-a019-47dc-89e6-4d3e5bb67266_1638x2048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jve!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa81e09bb-ccff-43de-9b3c-b3e90dabe17b_1200x802.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jve!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa81e09bb-ccff-43de-9b3c-b3e90dabe17b_1200x802.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jve!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa81e09bb-ccff-43de-9b3c-b3e90dabe17b_1200x802.jpeg 848w, 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Ask Attio how to win this deal, what to say in your follow-up, where your pipeline actually stands, and get answers with full context, instantly. With Universal Context, Attio&#8217;s intelligence layer, every signal across your tools becomes instantly actionable.</p><p>The engine behind every top 1% startup is a great CRM.</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Try Attio for free&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26"><span>Try Attio for free</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h1>The Lovable Company: Growth Playbook</h1><p>One of the tools that fascinates me most is <strong><a href="https://lovable.dev/">Lovable</a></strong>, both because of how fast their product ships (daily?) but also for how spectacular it is to enable creativity (i.e. <a href="https://arnold-ai-diet-coach.lovable.app">meet my friend Arnold</a>) and give you what genuinely feels like superpowers.</p><p>So I decided to deep dive into how this European outlier grows. </p><p>Here&#8217;s what actually worked, stage by stage:</p><blockquote><p><em><strong>&#128208; Quick note on methodology:</strong> this analysis focuses on the 80/20 mechanics that help explain Lovable&#8217;s growth (not a comprehensive profile, and not an endorsement or investment advice). Based on 40+ sources including podcasts, company blogs, investor analyses, and third-party teardowns. All revenue figures from TechCrunch or public statements. This company moves so fast that data from 3 months ago is already outdated, I used the latest confirmed source in every case. Treat all numbers as directional.</em></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1>Act 1, The Spark: $0&#8211;$10M</h1><div class="pullquote"><p>Founder brand as a permissionless acquisition channel</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fn3S!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2536c281-a019-47dc-89e6-4d3e5bb67266_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fn3S!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2536c281-a019-47dc-89e6-4d3e5bb67266_1638x2048.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/antonosika/">Anton Osika</a> studied engineering physics at KTH, worked at CERN, was the first engineer at Sana Labs, and co-founded <a href="https://depict.ai/">Depict.ai</a> through YC. In 2023 he built GPT Engineer as a side project, an open-source experiment to see what LLMs could do with code.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png" width="1003" height="551" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:551,&quot;width&quot;:1003,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:186559,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/189368974?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n6CQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F66a879bc-6de3-425e-9bb3-68b8c4680f31_1003x551.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It hit 50K GitHub stars which was the fastest-growing repository on GitHub that year. GitHub&#8217;s systems temporarily shut it down thinking it was a DDoS attack &#128517;, because it was spawning 15,000 new repositories a day.</p><p>He tried to productize it twice. </p><ul><li><p>Launch 1 (early 2024): user growth stalled almost immediately. </p></li><li><p>Launch 2 (mid-2024): retention collapsed, the AI got stuck on anything complex, and the pricing model was bleeding money on power users.</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eATg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F68cd3953-5e95-407a-9eee-1b9fe036d5f8_1168x778.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://x.com/antonosika/status/1872678932279116047/photo/1">Source</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Most people read that as a no, but Anton read it as a spec.</p><p>He and co-founder <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabian-hedin-2377b0144/">Fabian Hedin</a> migrated the entire backend from Python to Go, built new scaling laws for AI self-debugging so the model could get itself unstuck, and made the call that changed everything: <strong>stop targeting developers</strong>. </p><p>Their hypothesis was that the real opportunity was giving <strong>non-technical people</strong> the ability to build software from scratch (<strong>superpowers</strong>).</p><p>&#8220;Lovable&#8221; as a rebrand was spot on, as it told you how it should feel. <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Elena Verna&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:3478323,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6eeab89f-c508-46ec-91a1-9e8e3ce3021a_1926x2892.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;d975c87e-6a75-4957-a3d4-ab116b9bc2b3&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>, who joined later as Head of Growth, has a name for this: the <em><strong>Minimum Lovable Product</strong></em>, software with personality, software you trust because it feels alive. </p><p>The name has also become somewhat of a cultural enforcement mechanism inside the company, when someone says &#8220;this is not lovable&#8221; in a meeting, everyone stops what they&#8217;re doing. </p><p>Third launch was in November 2024, which became #1 on Product Hunt, #1 on Hacker News and drove $10M ARR in 2 months with 15 people.</p><p>The levers that drove it:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Founder brand as distribution: </strong>Anton had already been cultivating an audience on socials built over years of posting raw numbers, failed experiments, hiring photos, half-formed ideas a-la <a href="https://x.com/levelsio">Pieter Levels</a>. When hey launched people already trusted the person before they trusted the product. This deserves a deep-dive on its own, worth having a trip down memory lane on <a href="https://x.com/antonosika">Anton&#8217;s timeline</a>.</p></li><li><p><strong>GPT Engineer&#8217;s 50K GitHub stars were a pre-built trust base:</strong> Thousands of developers already knew the name and the credibility likely transferred directly to the new product, again part of a long-term founder brand investment.</p></li><li><p><strong>Short video demos as an ad:</strong> Nobody knew what vibe coding was in late 2024 but you watch 10 seconds of someone building a real app by typing a sentence and you think &#8220;I had no idea this was possible.&#8221; / what kind of sorcery is this. I think Twitter, Tiktok and YouTube drove real curiosity at scale due to the product&#8217;s inherent &#8220;magic moments&#8221;.</p></li><li><p><strong>Co-marketing with Supabase, Replicate and Resend:</strong> gave them reach into audiences that were already product-curious and technically adjacent.</p></li><li><p><strong>Product Hunt and Hacker News as coordinated launch amplifiers</strong>: as usual, but also with leveraged via points 1 and 2 above.</p></li><li><p><strong>User-generated content from day one:</strong> Every post someone shared of their Lovable build was basically an organic proof point (PLG mechanics).</p></li></ol><p>One mistake Anton calls out directly that caught my eye and is worth highlighting as it is a perpetual debate I had both working at Meta on product discussions but also with many of my founder friends (almost weekly): </p><blockquote><p>On trying to keep the GPT Engineer open-source community alive alongside Lovable: <em>&#8220;A bad idea to do two things that were like a bit too tangentially related.&#8221;</em> </p><p>Community goodwill lost to <strong>radical focus</strong> every time. His advice now seems to be <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/bottleneck-thinking">to find the bottleneck, solve for that, one thing at a time.</a></p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h1>Act 2, The Machine: $10M&#8211;$100M</h1><div class="pullquote"><p>Building a trust machine without ever buying growth</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fkRM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9765ed6-9644-409e-8ee7-a050bc866cbc_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fkRM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9765ed6-9644-409e-8ee7-a050bc866cbc_1638x2048.png 424w, 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But what gets you to $100M is likely, as is usually the case, a system. </p><p>And Lovable&#8217;s system has more moving parts than almost any company at this stage, and almost none of them are paid.</p><p>Before getting into the levers, the context that makes them all make sense is what I hear Elena Verna call &#8220;<strong>the product-market fit treadmill&#8221;</strong>. Which means that every 90 days, a new model drops, consumer expectations reset, and what felt like product-market fit the previous quarter feels shaky again. </p><p>Worth noting how they explicitly call out how growth work has totally flipped from 5-10% innovation, 80%+ optimization to, at Lovable = 95% innovation, 5% optimization. </p><p>Which means Lovable is rebuilding the growth engine while driving.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 1: Hire for slope, surround yourself with people who see around corners.</strong></h3><p>This one sits at the top because it&#8217;s the precondition for everything else and the founder seems to be very direct / osbssessed about it (for good reason): the pocket moves fast, and the only durable advantage is being surrounded by exceptionally <strong>smart people who can see what&#8217;s coming before it arrives</strong>. </p><p>Lovable hires ex-founders and high-slope new grads, and Stockholm turns out to be a structural advantage here, where Lovable is quickly becoming the biggest talent magnet in the city, something that&#8217;s simply not possible in SF where OpenAI or Anthropic will outbid you on a bad Tuesday.</p><p>The cultural consequence is a growth team that builds core product (i.e. they&#8217;ve launched a Shopify integration, enabled voice mode, built agentic workflows, etc.). None of that would usually come from a growth team at a traditional company.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 2: Turn every engineer into a marketer.</strong></h3><p>The system is called beeswarming and it&#8217;s more deliberate than it sounds. Every employee ships code to production, builds side projects on Lovable, and posts about their work on social. When a post goes up, it gets dropped in an internal channel and the whole team swarms it with comments and reposts within the first two hours.</p><p>There&#8217;s also somewhat of a structural advantage here because typicallly large companies cannot do this (requires review, approval, less incentive too etc).</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;If you asked me what the organic marketing strategy was five years ago, I would have said SEO. Now it&#8217;s all about social, no matter how B2B you are.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><p>Influencer marketing seems to be 10x bigger for Lovable than paid social.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 3: Freemium as a marketing budget, not a cost center.</strong></h3><p>Most companies treat freemium as a necessary evil but Lovable&#8217;s biggest cost bucket is freemium, and they <strong>track it explicitly as a marketing line item</strong>, not COGS. </p><p>The logic is that a free user who gets delighted posts on social, refers friends, and builds apps that other people see. They track this through the &#8220;<a href="https://www.elenaverna.com/p/how-i-built-a-new-composite-qualitative">Lovable Score</a>&#8221; which measures referral propensity across the user base.</p><p>They have it as a rule that free giveaways must exceed your paid marketing spend. If you&#8217;re spending more on Google and Meta than on delighting free users, you&#8217;re subsidizing third-party platforms instead of building an earned channel you own.</p><p>The free day campaigns is another example of this tactic. They&#8217;ve run 3 as far as I can tell: a free weekend in early 2025 for acquisition when the brand was young, a summer 2025 free weekend near $100M ARR specifically for resurrecting dormant accounts, and Women&#8217;s Day 2026 with advance notice and mission alignment. The last one: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;All I see is people talking about the Lovable free day. That is something you cannot pay for. A campaign bigger than one that would cost us millions of dollars, and our users are doing all the marketing for us.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h3><strong>Growth lever 4: Ship every single day.</strong></h3><p>Not bug fixes, teal product changes based on user feedback. You can see these happening in real time following Anton on Twitter, which is amazing. </p><p>Engineers ship, then post, Beeswarming kicks in. Which also means the marketing team has no involvement in daily releases (more focus), and has product engineers announce what they ship, directly, on their own channels.</p><p>On this wave, and in this market, daily or weekly shipping puts you in the habitual zone vs monthly tends to put you in the forgettable zone. </p><p>On top of the daily releases, they run tier-one launches every 1-2 months that bundle features into a story with a bigger narrative arc. The full circle is that daily retains existing users and tier-one launches acquire and <strong>resurrect dormant accounts</strong>. </p><p>And of course the &#8220;constant noise&#8221; is a deliberate retention strategy (and so is layering in each of these growth levers, across Act I and II).</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Micro-releases make the product feel alive. Users signed up for version X but keep getting version X+. It builds trust without you having to ask for it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><h3><strong>Growth lever 5: Co-marketing from day one.</strong></h3><p>They used <a href="https://supabase.com/blog/lovable-cloud-launch">Supabase</a>, <a href="https://replicate.com/">Replicate</a>, <a href="https://resend.com/docs/lovable-integration">Resend</a> at launch likely as credibility transfers. Technical audiences who already trusted these tools got a warm introduction to Lovable through partnerships with products they already used. </p><h3><strong>Growth lever 6: Community seeded with builders</strong></h3><p>Most communities become dumping grounds for negative sentiment. I know this first hand. A lot of thinking went into building our Spark AR community when I was at Facebook, so that it would become actually useful for feeding our product roadmap.</p><p>Usually the loop followed by most product teams is to create a community when the support team drowns &#8220;so people can help each other,&#8221; which then rapidly becomes a venting outlet, and Google indexes all the negativity (a big no-no). </p><p><a href="https://discord.com/channels/1119885301872070706/@home">Lovable&#8217;s Discord</a> works because it was seeded with enthusiastic builders before frustrated customers had a chance to define the culture. And when done well, community tends to make people stick around because they feel invested, which <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/-private-communities">creates emotional switching costs</a></p><h3><strong>Growth lever 7: The agent team owns activation</strong></h3><p>This one&#8217;s unusual enough to be worth calling out. The growth team barely touches traditional activation work because the AI agent IS the activation experience. </p><p>Improving the agent improves the entire user lifecycle at once, so the growth team can focus almost entirely on acquisition and expansion because activation is being handled at the product layer by the people building the core model. Which is a structural separation most PLG companies never really achieve.</p><div><hr></div><h1>Act 3, The Moat: $100M&#8211;$400M</h1><div class="pullquote"><p>Monetization discipline and brand as the non-copyable moat</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JgMk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F229453b7-552c-4eca-ab88-770060b4d6dd_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JgMk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F229453b7-552c-4eca-ab88-770060b4d6dd_1638x2048.png 424w, 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The narrative around vibe coding for a long time was that it was for hobbyists, toy apps, weekend projects and so on.</p><p>But the revenue split at $400M ARR seems to tell a different story, with Anton mentioning 80% of revenue comes from founders building real, complex applications (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkAWWgrr8aI">although this was 7 months ago</a>).</p><p>That matters for everything that follows because a product being used to <strong>run real businesses</strong> retains differently than one people play with.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 1: No paid acquisition until $300M ARR.</strong></h3><p>When Lovable started out-of-home advertising in early 2026 (past $300M ARR) the purpose was education, and reaching the latent majority who haven&#8217;t tried AI app building yet. </p><p>So using ads in a relatively contrarian way to most software companies sponsoring subway ads in New York, billboards in San Francisco, bus ads in London etc. </p><p>Also pretty cool to see them being bullish on the <strong><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/24-creator-economy-30">creator economy</a></strong> sponsoring more and more creators with highly curated audiences + communities.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 2: Three monetization layers, two of which most companies are too scared to run.</strong></h3><ul><li><p><strong>Layer 1 is subscriptions</strong>: &#8364;25/month pro plan, a &#8364;50/month business plan and a custom enterprise plan (predictable ARR base, nothing surprising).</p></li><li><p><strong>Layer 2 is top-ups:</strong> ad hoc credit purchases on top of the subscription for bursty usage when a project sprint hits (I use these a lot on claude co-work&#8230;) It is likely pure incremental revenue (AI usage isn&#8217;t linear its often bursty, and fixed plans miss the peaks entirely), and if we were all being totally honest, I for one would pay way more for the intelligence I&#8217;m getting out of these tools (they are mostly subsidised by the wave of venture capital over the past couple years, use it).</p></li><li><p><strong>Layer 3 is outcome-based pricing</strong>, which doesn&#8217;t exist yet but is where the whole market is (likely) heading. Every AI company right now is passing through LLM costs to users, and when those costs collapse, and every model provider is betting they will, the companies already charging for outcomes instead of tokens win.</p></li></ul><p>There&#8217;s also a compounding structural advantage for Lovable which is a net-dollar retention sitting above 100%. Which means that when people build something real on Lovable they want more credits, and the more they build, the more they spend. And also, once you are live and active, and the system is trained on your logic, and your domains and connected, and etc etc, retention mechanics become layered and quite powerful. </p><p>Which is a monetization flywheel you can&#8217;t easily manufacture.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 3: Track the right metrics, ignore the vanity ones.</strong></h3><p>Most startups are guessing CAC-to-LTV ratios based on 12 months of data. </p><blockquote><p><em>LTV: &#8220;absolutely irrelevant under 5 years, you don&#8217;t know it, period.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The north star at Lovable seems to be <strong>Daily Active Apps</strong> (how many apps are being actively built or actively receiving traffic on a given day).</p><p>Which makes sense as it captures both sides of the value simultaneously:</p><ol><li><p>The person building</p></li><li><p>The person using what was built</p></li></ol><p>Which is a leading indicator for both monetization and retention at once.</p><p>This number seems to be sitting around 85% Day 30 retention among paying users, which is quite remarkable for a product this young in an emerging category.</p><h3><strong>Growth lever 4: Brand as the only moat that doesn&#8217;t erode.</strong></h3><p>When you ask who Lovable&#8217;s most dangerous competitor is, the answer catches most people off guard: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I always worry about the big boys and girls. OpenAIs, Anthropics, Googles, Apples. They just have the distribution hold in the market that is unparalleled.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><p>The logic is worth sitting with because when product functionality commoditizes, and it is commoditizing fast, every 90 days a new model drops and capabilities reset, the companies with the best earned, defensible distribution win. </p><p>A startup can out-build any platform on product but it cannot out-distribute them (look at our <strong><a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/how-freepik-hit-100m-users-with-0">Freepik growth deep dive</a></strong> from last week on how they leveraged distribution to surf the AI curveball). This is why brand tends to be the only lever that compounds in a way that scale doesn&#8217;t automatically solve.</p><p>The Canva parallel is an interesting way to frame it. If Lovable becomes the trusted default for non-technical people building software, the same way Canva became the trusted default for non-designers making visuals, then a bigger player launching a competing feature is a footnote not an existential threat, because it is very hard to replicate brand trust with a product launch.</p><p>It was interesting to read Anton&#8217;s 5-year vision that makes the ambition explicit: </p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We&#8217;re the most used interface for humans to AI.&#8221;</em> </p></blockquote><p>So, not a coding tool and not a website builder, but the entire stack. From idea to growing business, email to customers, marketing channels, all of it! </p><div><hr></div><h1><strong>What actually matters here</strong></h1><p>What&#8217;s most interesting about this company and likely the thing that is hardest to copy is <strong>the cultural operating system.</strong></p><p>A few observations that strike me most:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Hiring ex-founders and high-slope generalists</strong> who treat ambiguity as oxygen. Every person on the team is wired to see around corners instead of optimizing what&#8217;s already there.</p></li><li><p><strong>They don&#8217;t wait to understand the market before moving</strong> because nobody understands this market, its a new emerging one. The airplane is being built mid-air and there is no playbook for where this market lands.</p></li><li><p><strong>The only thing that separates the companies that survive from the ones that don&#8217;t is the speed at which they learn</strong> + quality of the people doing the learning.</p></li><li><p><strong>They ship daily</strong> not because they have a process for it but because the culture makes sitting still feel like falling behind. </p></li><li><p><strong>95% of growth work is innovation</strong> and 5% is optimization. </p></li></ul><p>3 things to sit with:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Asking &#8220;what&#8217;s the market size&#8221; for AI app builders is kind of silly</strong>, it is <a href="https://abovethecrowd.com/2014/07/11/how-to-miss-by-a-mile-an-alternative-look-at-ubers-potential-market-size/">the same mistake people made with Uber</a>.</p></li><li><p><strong>Execution compounds.</strong> Lovable&#8217;s capital efficiency ($2M to $30M ARR), headcount efficiency (146 people at $400M) and speed ($0 to $400M in 14 months) are symptoms of a culture where the default answer to &#8220;should we try this?&#8221; is yes, today, ship it tonight, which in turn collides with extreme market hunger (a perfect venture capital storm).</p></li><li><p><strong>Talent density is almost everything</strong>. Being able to attract the best talent, people who can build, think, and move at the same time on this particular wave. People who don&#8217;t need to be told what to work on, in a market that resets every 90 days (or less).</p></li></ol><p>Whatever ends up happening, what a fascinating company to watch.</p><div><hr></div><h2>&#128218; Bibliography</h2><ol><li><p>TechCrunch, &#8220;Lovable says it added $100M in revenue last month alone, with just 146 employees,&#8221; March 11, 2026</p></li><li><p>Anton Osika, &#8220;Building Lovable: $10M ARR in 60 Days,&#8221; Lenny&#8217;s Newsletter, 2025</p></li><li><p>Elena Verna, Lenny&#8217;s Podcast, &#8220;The new AI growth playbook for 2026,&#8221; December 2025</p></li><li><p>Elena Verna, 20VC podcast with Harry Stebbings, March 2026</p></li><li><p>Elena Verna, &#8220;Growth Lessons Behind Lovable&#8217;s $6.6B,&#8221; elenaverna.com, 2025</p></li><li><p>Elena Verna, &#8220;I&#8217;ve Joined Lovable to Lead Growth,&#8221; elenaverna.com, May 2025</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch, &#8220;Vibe coding startup Lovable raises $330M at a $6.6B valuation,&#8221; December 18, 2025</p></li><li><p>TechCrunch, &#8220;Lovable says it&#8217;s nearing 8 million users,&#8221; November 10, 2025</p></li><li><p>Lovable blog, &#8220;Series B Announcement,&#8221; December 2025</p></li><li><p>Lovable blog, &#8220;Rebranding GPT Engineer to Lovable,&#8221; January 13, 2025</p></li><li><p>SimilarWeb, lovable.dev traffic data, 2026</p></li><li><p>Product Hunt, Lovable listing, 2024</p></li><li><p>Elena Verna, &#8220;Trust is the New Growth Moat,&#8221; elenaverna.com newsletter, 2025</p></li><li><p>The Growth Mind, &#8220;How Lovable Grew to $17M ARR in 3 Months,&#8221; thegrowthmind.substack.com, 2025</p></li><li><p>Kyle Poyar, &#8220;Lovable&#8217;s Growth Story: Europe&#8217;s Fastest Growing Startup?,&#8221; Growth Unhinged, April 2025</p></li><li><p>Contrary Research, &#8220;Lovable Company Profile,&#8221; research.contrary.com, 2025</p></li><li><p>Bocar Dia, &#8220;How Lovable Reached $75M ARR in 7 Months,&#8221; AI-native GTM, June 2025</p></li></ol><div><hr></div><h1><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ivanlandabaso_the-ai-wave-is-moving-fast-10-reports-id-activity-7442478070084644864-pDJU?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_desktop&amp;rcm=ACoAAAnfDRcB0CWHfvR7AS_J4JuIpYF4wlGEVDA">&#128218; 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Physical AI</a></h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg" width="1280" height="1600" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1600,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;No alternative text description for this image&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="No alternative text description for this image" title="No alternative text description for this image" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!s2Wy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F814d1d6f-1bf9-490b-876c-eed467f4d8c7_1280x1600.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><h1><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ivanlandabaso_europe-produces-as-many-ai-startups-as-the-activity-7441029201899585536-YksI">&#127466;&#127482; How to make the AI Flywheel spin</a></h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png" width="1080" height="1466" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1466,&quot;width&quot;:1080,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:162595,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/189368974?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oGAJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9eaf4abf-547c-448c-8d8f-4c51d385737b_1080x1466.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div class="pullquote"><p><em><strong>&#128640; Building something in this space? I invest &#8364;100K&#8211;3M at pre-seed and seed. 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I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><p><em><strong>This week&#8217;s sponsor is <a href="https://attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26">AI CRM Attio</a>!</strong></em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZUSt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F744d3afd-08d8-4e11-b37c-606a591bc708_1920x1080.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZUSt!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F744d3afd-08d8-4e11-b37c-606a591bc708_1920x1080.png 424w, 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Jordi is also my colleague at <a href="https://www.jme.vc/">JME Ventures</a>, where we invest in startups from pre-seed to Series A. He&#8217;s been following <strong><a href="https://www.freepik.es/">Freepik</a></strong> closely for a while and put together the research behind this edition.</p><div class="embedded-publication-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:155090,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Jordi Noguera&quot;,&quot;logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WboA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc7c7d99-fe44-4ee1-b7d8-0f91b04b9217_512x512.png&quot;,&quot;base_url&quot;:&quot;https://jordinoguera.substack.com&quot;,&quot;hero_text&quot;:&quot;Venture Capital |&nbsp;Startups Analysis &quot;,&quot;author_name&quot;:&quot;Jordi Noguera&quot;,&quot;show_subscribe&quot;:true,&quot;logo_bg_color&quot;:&quot;#fafafa&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;es&quot;}" data-component-name="EmbeddedPublicationToDOMWithSubscribe"><div class="embedded-publication show-subscribe"><a class="embedded-publication-link-part" native="true" href="https://jordinoguera.substack.com?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=publication_embed&amp;utm_medium=web"><img class="embedded-publication-logo" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WboA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc7c7d99-fe44-4ee1-b7d8-0f91b04b9217_512x512.png" width="56" height="56" style="background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);"><span class="embedded-publication-name">Jordi Noguera</span><div class="embedded-publication-hero-text">Venture Capital |&nbsp;Startups Analysis </div></a><form class="embedded-publication-subscribe" method="GET" action="https://jordinoguera.substack.com/subscribe?"><input type="hidden" name="source" value="publication-embed"><input type="hidden" name="autoSubmit" value="true"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Escribe tu correo electr&#243;nico..."><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Suscribirse"></form></div></div><p>Why Freepik? Because it&#8217;s probably the best real-world case of a company that watched AI threaten to destroy its business, and instead of playing defense, ate its own product and came out growing faster than ever. </p><p>And it did it from M&#225;laga, without a single euro of venture capital!</p><p>Three acts and three growth lessons, let&#8217;s get into it:</p><div><hr></div><h2>1. People were making logos in Word, and Freepik saw the gap. (2010&#8211;2020)</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:289794,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/189447866?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eewx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3efd4b-000e-4324-b64b-0c9e07918948_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Few people know this, but <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joaquin-cuenca-abela-905717a/">Joaqu&#237;n Cuenca</a> had already sold 2 companies before Freepik. First Loquo, a classifieds portal sold to eBay in 2005. Then Panoramio, together with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/eduardomanchon/">Eduardo Manch&#243;n</a> (who later founded Mailtrack.io, now <a href="https://mailsuite.com/en/">Mailsuite</a>, with ~&#8364;8M in revenue and 110K paying customers), sold to Google in 2007. Joaqu&#237;n stayed 3 years at Google Zurich as Tech Lead for Panoramio before starting Freepik in 2010.</p><p>The other co-founder, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alejandrosanchezblanes/">Alejandro S&#225;nchez Blanes</a>, was building BeSoccer (formerly Resultados de F&#250;tbol) and Joaqu&#237;n was helping them. They needed tons of illustrations for the app and were browsing stock pages one by one looking for them. It consumed so much time that he ended up building a search engine for himself.</p><p>He published it publicly and within just over a month, more than 100,000 users showed up.</p><p>At the time, people were making logos in Word using WordArt and there were few options for graphic design. Freepik was born in that gap.</p><h3>How the stock image market works</h3><p>To understand what Freepik did, you have to understand how this market evolved.</p><p>The industry starts in the 90s with <a href="https://www.gettyimages.com/">Getty Images</a>, digitizing photography. You bought unique photographs (&#8221;the pieces&#8221;) for $199&#8211;699 per image. Then <a href="https://www.shutterstock.com/">Shutterstock</a> appeared with a &#8220;microstock&#8221; model where they sold the same photograph for $3&#8211;69 (with a subscription) but to many more people. More marketplace but less exclusivity.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LCo5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0e13e9b-875f-4109-847c-980644710b1c_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>There was a massive market shift happening at the time. Everything was moving from TV ads and print to web, and that meant you needed way more items per project at a much lower price. Anyone could &#8220;create.&#8221; The market was going from low volume, high price to high volume, lower price.</p><p>Freepik&#8217;s key decision was to specialize in illustrations and icons. Getty and Shutterstock were only in photos. But illustrations have <strong>very different marketplace dynamics.</strong></p><p>Airbnb would be a good comparable. The more fragmented supply and demand are, the more sense a marketplace makes. Illustrators weren&#8217;t good at positioning themselves, and there are so many that it&#8217;s impossible to reach them all.</p><p>Depending on the type of content, the dynamics and economics change a lot.</p><ol><li><p><strong>Photography.</strong> Maximum fragmentation. You need infinite capillarity to have every photo in the world (if you want a photo of X place, at X specific moment, in X style). This is the most suited for a marketplace for that reason.</p></li><li><p><strong>Illustrations.</strong> A single illustrator can create many. Less fragmentation, but discovery is still hard.</p></li><li><p><strong>Icons.</strong> Even less variety. One person can create many icons and cover a lot of ground.</p></li></ol><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ANm-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c8a577d-d2b2-4b92-92c3-70fe72086f25_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><blockquote><p><em><strong>A real case of my own.</strong> I had a company where we were Shutterstock and Getty users. We had &#8364;0 and were bypassing these platforms all day long. We bought photographs for commercial use (much higher price), and if you could find the author directly you&#8217;d get it cheaper. But finding them was nearly impossible. That explains why Shutterstock&#8217;s take rate is what it is.</em></p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png" width="1456" height="943" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:943,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9WqQ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9285e9-f5c8-484d-bc66-c681e0f8250e_2048x1327.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>The data moat nobody saw coming</h3><p>What Freepik did differently was <strong>start as a mini Google for free illustrations</strong>, a search engine that scraped third-party pages. The problem was that the experience on those third-party pages was terrible. So after 3 years they started creating their own content.</p><p>Netflix would be a good comparison. They went from aggregating third-party content to producing their own. Same pattern.</p><p>Their access to search data from users became their &#8220;unfair advantage&#8221;.</p><p>How did they monetize at first? They &#8220;gave away&#8221; the content they created to users who had blogs, in exchange for referencing Freepik when they published it. Readers learned about Freepik and over time started coming in as users themselves. Pure organic growth.</p><p>Joaqu&#237;n tells a case from Japan that captures the depth of this understanding well. When a user typed &#8220;mountain,&#8221; they actually wanted Mount Fuji. You had to show Mount Fuji at the very top. That level of user understanding, country by country, search by search, generated the <strong>flywheel</strong>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png" width="1456" height="1613" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1613,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WayZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F070987a0-6835-4db6-b3b7-f7aa2c7554ec_1849x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Over time, many users who used the free illustrations were willing to pay. They moved to a freemium model and opened the platform for any designer to upload content and earn from downloads.</p><p>The model ended up at 50% revenue from own content and 50% from third parties with a 50% take rate. This matters because the economics are very different depending on the model.</p><p>Own content carries more risk because you&#8217;re investing in the content (an asset that depreciates, and photography depreciates faster than illustrations or icons), but it leaves you higher margins. Third-party content (marketplace) carries less risk because you&#8217;re just publishing on the platform, but also lower margins because of the take rate. Freepik had both. Smart diversification.</p><p><strong>By 2020 the numbers spoke for themselves.</strong></p><ul><li><p>32M monthly users (from the EQT press release)</p></li><li><p>500,000+ paying subscribers with an average ticket of ~&#8364;7</p></li><li><p>Revenue of &#8364;45M over 9 years from &#8364;200K in 2012</p></li><li><p>With zero outside funding. Fully bootstrapped.</p></li></ul><p>In May 2020, EQT Mid Market Europe buys 53% of Freepik for a valuation of ~&#8364;250M. Drake Star Partners advises the sale. Two of the three co-founders exit (Alejandro and Pablo Blanes). Joaqu&#237;n Cuenca stays. Doesn&#8217;t sell a thing. In October of that same year, Atwater Capital enters with an additional minority stake and Vania Schlogel (founder of Atwater) joins the board.</p><p>Having a founder like Joaqu&#237;n, with that level of ambition, is one of the reasons I like Freepik so much. In Spain, similar to <a href="https://factorial.es/">Factorial</a> or <a href="https://www.pldspace.com/">PLD Space</a>.</p><div><hr></div><h2>2. &#8220;Everything we&#8217;ve built in 10 years is becoming obsolete.&#8221; (2022&#8211;2023)</h2><p>In 2019&#8211;2020, DALL-E 1 appears, OpenAI&#8217;s image generator. First image diffusion model with any quality at all. The quality was terrible, but it showed something no previous system had achieved, which was real genericity. It could draw &#8220;a radish walking a dog.&#8221; Sounds absurd, but that&#8217;s exactly the point. No previous system could do that.</p><p>It might seem obvious now, but at the time, extrapolating that the technology would keep advancing, what was the point of Freepik? There were two possible stances.</p><p>The comfortable one was to think it wouldn&#8217;t change much. </p><p>The uncomfortable one was to assume everything changes and that AI improves in a matter of months.</p><p>With AI, there have always been three stages. </p><ol><li><p>First you think it won&#8217;t be able to do the task, and it does. </p></li><li><p>Then you think it won&#8217;t do it as well as the top expert, and it does. </p></li><li><p>And finally you think it won&#8217;t surpass the expert, and it does. Cases like chess or Go (the Netflix documentary is incredible). The same pattern repeated with images.</p></li></ol><p>Then DALL-E 2 arrived in April 2022. Joaqu&#237;n was at home with COVID and spent entire days watching what people were generating. The quality jump was, in his words, &#8220;so dramatic&#8221; that the conclusion was inevitable. In one or two years, AI would match the quality of every image in Freepik&#8217;s catalog.</p><p>His reaction was honest. &#8220;Initially I&#8217;d say I felt some despair. I had no plan. I didn&#8217;t know what to do.&#8221;</p><p>The only thing he was sure of was that what Freepik had been doing for 12 years was no longer going to be the business of the future.</p><p>He had to tell more than 500 employees that everything they&#8217;d built over the last decade was becoming obsolete. Some employees needed psychological treatment. This is serious.</p><p>And yet, the business was better than ever. In 2021 they&#8217;d closed with &#8364;61.5M in revenue (+37% YoY), 380 employees (+26% YoY), and already exceeded 500K paying subscribers. By 2022 the headcount had grown to 567 (+49% in a single year) and revenue was around $87M. 70% of revenue was already recurring (subscriptions). Double-digit growth for years, &#8220;wildly profitable.&#8221; That&#8217;s the context that makes the decision harder, because they really weren&#8217;t in crisis but at the best moment in the company&#8217;s history.</p><h3>What was happening in the market?</h3><p>I always say that in a business there are two types of risk, technological and market. We&#8217;ve had many years of venture capital where almost every company has zero technological risk but does have market risk. The conversations are always about metrics, acquisition, positioning. You rarely talk about the technical approach at a deep level because you assume the team is capable of building the product.</p><p>Freepik had the opposite problem. Zero market risk with 100M users and more than proven demand, but suddenly a brutal technological risk.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZRLZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69dbc975-f886-4f56-93bf-eef4c525dd98_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Adobe&#8217;s position was understandable. They acknowledged the technology was incredible, but their stance was &#8220;this is illegal.&#8221; They had 400M images in their catalog and were in a comfortable position to defend this. Incentives explain everything.</p><p>Was it legal or illegal to train models with images? At the time, nothing was clear.</p><p>Freepik&#8217;s position was different. They thought ChatGPT and everything around it was too valuable for society, that no country would want to be left out of the race, and that if the law interpreted that all text and all images needed copyright clearance to train on them, ChatGPT couldn&#8217;t exist. Freepik didn&#8217;t see a future where states would impose that limitation.</p><p>They decided to take the aggressive position and assume the technology would exist and improve significantly over time.</p><h3>How AI image generation works (for the curious)</h3><p>Before generative AI there was an important intermediate step, GANs (generative adversarial networks). One neural network generates an image and another tries to determine if it&#8217;s real or not. Both improve by &#8220;fighting&#8221; each other. The result was decent quality but only for very narrow domains, like frontal human faces for example. Zero genericity. Only worked for a specific task.</p><p>Then diffusion models appeared (DALL-E, Stable Diffusion, Flux). The process works like this.</p><ol><li><p>You take an image of a cat and add noise, which is random variations in the pixels, like grain or static.</p></li><li><p>You train a neural network to learn to remove that noise.</p></li><li><p>You repeat with more noise. The network keeps learning to &#8220;reconstruct&#8221; the original image.</p></li><li><p>You repeat this up to 100 times.</p></li><li><p><strong>The magic step.</strong> Instead of starting with a noisy image, you start with pure noise. And the network is able to invent the cat.</p></li></ol><p>This allowed you to take much larger image datasets (potentially every image on the internet) and generate new images from them.</p><p>But it had limitations. Small models got confused with details, so if you asked for &#8220;green cat on blue table&#8221; the cat came out blue. They couldn&#8217;t count well. Hands were a disaster because of too many possible finger combinations. And text inside images was unreadable.</p><p>Now with autoregressive models (like Nano Banana Pro, similar to how ChatGPT works but for images) the image is divided into parts and each piece is like a word predicting the next one. This has massively increased comprehension of what you&#8217;re asking for. Hands come out right, text is readable, fine details work.</p><h3>Freepik&#8217;s decision was to build while walking</h3><p>Joaqu&#237;n&#8217;s decision framework was simple.</p><p>We don&#8217;t have AI researchers, so we can&#8217;t create models ourselves. We don&#8217;t yet know what value we can add because there&#8217;s a machine that does everything, so what do we do? If the answer is &#8220;nothing,&#8221; fine, that option leads nowhere, discard it. But if the answer is &#8220;something,&#8221; what happens if we act now and shape how this technology reaches our users?</p><p>The decision was to grab this technology as soon as it was available and discover the value along the way.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Strategy came after action.&#8221;</p></div><p>Joaqu&#237;n believes companies should build while walking. It&#8217;s very ambitious to think you&#8217;ll know what&#8217;s going to happen in 5 years, and the only way to move forward is step by step.</p><p>They started hiring and building an AI team without knowing exactly what to do, but with the stance that doing things leads to understanding things.</p><p>The first use case was improving the search engine. Before, it worked with a tag system where the illustrator uploaded content, added tags, and that&#8217;s how it was found. With AI, the search engine could understand the image directly. They used CLIP (Contrastive Language-Image Pre-training, from OpenAI). They integrated it in less than an hour after OpenAI&#8217;s release. That execution speed says a lot about the team&#8217;s mindset.</p><p>The second use case was generation. Stable Diffusion arrives as open-source in September 2022 and Freepik (through Wepik) integrates it into the platform, becoming <strong>the first non-professional editor to do so</strong>. They positioned themselves as &#8220;the simple way to use the model.&#8221; And just as they had the moat of most-searched keywords in the past, they now started getting real data on what users wanted to create.</p><p>And something counterintuitive happened. The business accelerated. Freepik grew faster after the pivot than in the five years before. AI generated new demand, it didn&#8217;t cannibalize stock downloads. By the end of 2023, Freepik reported 150M+ monthly users (vs. 41M in 2021), 2M MAU on AI tools alone (300% YoY growth), and 120M+ assets created with AI on the platform that year. 60% of new users came through AI tools.</p><p>In parallel, <strong>2022 was the year of expansion through acquisition.</strong> They bought Videvo (UK, stock video), Iconfinder (Denmark, icon marketplace, whose CEO Martin LeBlanc Eigtved became Chief Product/Experience Officer at Freepik), Original Mockups (Colombia, 3D resources), and Check My Presets (photo filters). Four acquisitions in one year, each adding a new content vertical to the ecosystem.</p><p>Why? Because the 100M monthly visitors became instant distribution for AI tools. Volume from day one, which meant better unit economics on AI generation than any pure AI competitor. Lower inference costs that get passed on to the user, which brings more users. The flywheel again:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;We entered the game with a huge user base. Immediately we got many people creating images. Immediately we were able to secure very good unit economics for those generations.&#8221;</p></div><div><hr></div><h2>3. Models are the chips, and the platform is the computer. (2023&#8211;present)</h2><p>The last time we had a technology that developed exponentially was chips. And what happened was that every improvement in the CPU enabled new use cases that were previously impossible, and each new use case created a bottleneck that in turn created the next use case.</p><p>It&#8217;s an analogy Joaqu&#237;n uses. The technology is incredible (the CPU), but what you need is a computer, not to solder things together. Just like the iPod was born as a wrapper around a Samsung hard drive, but no, it was something else. It was the experience layer on top of the hardware.</p><p>Freepik&#8217;s reflection was that, just as it used to be very hard to publish a text and now it&#8217;s as easy as one click, the same thing can happen with visual content creation. There&#8217;s a new technology that enables anyone to have quality, infinite visual resources. That creates a bigger market, with much more volume. And to work with that, you need a platform that helps you manage it.</p><p><strong>That&#8217;s where the orchestrator concept was born</strong>. Models are like CPUs and Freepik is the computer. 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Above Remove.bg (#16), Grammarly (#18), CapCut (#17), and Midjourney (#43). 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The acquisition of <a href="https://magnific.ai/">Magnific</a> in May 2024 was a turning point. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javilopen/">Javi L&#243;pez</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilionicolas/">Emilio Nicol&#225;s</a> (Murcia) created an AI upscaler that went viral, 30,000 signups on day one, and Freepik bought it, bringing 700K+ professionals into the ecosystem. The co-founders were integrated into Freepik Labs under <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ompemi/">Omar Pera</a> (CPO, and a JME Ventures portfolio founder!).</p><p>When you don&#8217;t have heavy fixed assets, the ability to move fast is enormous. You can pivot because you don&#8217;t have as much sunk cost. It&#8217;s the innovator&#8217;s dilemma in reverse. The one who had nothing to protect was the one who could attack fastest.</p><p>I look at Freepik and see something similar to what happened with Kodak and digital cameras, but with a different ending. We&#8217;re watching Kodak adapt to digital cameras. I&#8217;m surprised by the ability of 500 employees, with tens of millions in revenue, to turn the ship and say &#8220;I&#8217;m going to cannibalize myself.&#8221;</p><p>And the entire market has been moving from the low volume, high price model (exclusive photos at &#8364;300) to high volume, lower price. With the rise of social media everyone needs to publish more, and tools have appeared that give access to many more people. Freepik has surfed each of those waves.</p><div><hr></div><h2>Conclusion</h2><p>The Freepik story is about what happens when a company that knows its users better than anyone encounters a technology that threatens to destroy it, and chooses to attack.</p><p>Three times the market changed and three times the data moat turned out to be what mattered. First for SEO, then for understanding what users wanted to create, and now for training AI models with clean data.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png" width="1456" height="1820" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1820,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:394755,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/189447866?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_zhi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b6be93d-f77c-485a-9234-77b4eebf6489_1638x2048.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div class="pullquote"><p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>&#128640; Building something in this space? We invest &#8364;100K&#8211;3M at pre-seed and seed. If you&#8217;re raising or know someone who is - please <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">send us your deck via DM</a>.</strong></em></p></div><h2>Bibliography</h2><p><strong>Podcasts and interviews with Joaqu&#237;n Cuenca</strong></p><ul><li><p><em>Drill Down Insider Ep. #22: Freepik CEO Joaquin Cuenca (March 2026). Cory Johnson.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik CEO: &#8220;The Day I Realized AI Would Destroy Us&#8221; (2026). A Company That Refused To Die.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Joaqu&#237;n Cuenca at Upscale Conf 2025 (San Francisco, 2025).</em></p></li><li><p><em>La IA era la &#250;nica opci&#243;n para no morir como empresa (Podcast IA, 2025).</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik en Itnig (2021). Podcast Itnig.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Spicy4tuna: Freepik (December 2025).</em></p></li></ul><p><strong>Data and research</strong></p><ul><li><p><em>a16z. Top 100 Gen AI Consumer Apps, 6th edition. Top 50 Gen AI Web Products by Unique Monthly Visits (Similarweb + Sensor Tower, January 2026).</em></p></li><li><p><em>Reforge. The 8 Most Important Metrics for Marketplace Growth.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Getty Images + Shutterstock merger ($3,700M, January 2025). Press releases. Getty Full Year 2025 Results (GlobeNewsWire, March 2026). Shutterstock Full Year 2025 Results.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Canva. $4B ARR (SaaStr, Feb 2026). Valuation $42B (tender offer, August 2025).</em></p></li><li><p><em>Adobe. FY2024 Earnings. Q1 2026: $70M shortfall in stock photography.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik. F Lite: Open-source 10B parameter model (April 2025). Official Freepik blog. GitHub / Hugging Face.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik. Magnific acquisition (May 2024). Official press release. Tech.eu.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik. Freepik Spaces launch (November 2025). BusinessWire.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik. Pikaso launch and metrics (December 2023). BusinessWire.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik. Nano Banana Pro. Official Freepik blog.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Freepik. Ideogram 3.0 integrations (March 2025), Google Veo 2/3, Kling O1 (December 2025).</em></p></li><li><p><em>EQT. Freepik acquisition announcement (May 2020).</em></p></li><li><p><em>Atwater Capital. Minority stake (October 2020). Private Equity Wire.</em></p></li><li><p><em>Mordor Intelligence / SkyQuest. Stock photography market size $4.5&#8211;7.2B (2024).</em></p></li><li><p><em>Kaptur. The Silent Collapse of Photo Licensing Revenue. AI impact on photographers (Sep 2024, Feb 2025).</em></p></li><li><p><em>El Espa&#241;ol. Freepik closes 2021 with record revenue (Feb 2022). Freepik reaches 567 employees (Dec 2022).</em></p></li><li><p><em>Tech.eu. Europe&#8217;s quiet AI giant (Jun 2025).</em></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p>That&#8217;s it for this week folks.</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Ivan</p><p><em>P.s. send me your questions about <strong>startup growth</strong> by replying to this email, I&#8217;ll try covering them in future editions &#129305;</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/p/preventive-health-startups-function-neko-prenuvo?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share&amp;token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ3OTU3NSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTgxNzg0ODIyLCJpYXQiOjE3NzEyNTkxMjMsImV4cCI6MTc3Mzg1MTEyMywiaXNzIjoicHViLTYzMjEzIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.vINXIzlYu1PSVHLnAi9YGfoQBp_ib13ABUwR1gsqV70&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/preventive-health-startups-function-neko-prenuvo?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share&amp;token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMjQ3OTU3NSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTgxNzg0ODIyLCJpYXQiOjE3NzEyNTkxMjMsImV4cCI6MTc3Mzg1MTEyMywiaXNzIjoicHViLTYzMjEzIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.vINXIzlYu1PSVHLnAi9YGfoQBp_ib13ABUwR1gsqV70"><span>Share</span></a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 AI's $1T blind spot]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sequoia's new thesis, Anthropic's labour data, and 198 YC startups point to the same gap.]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/ai-1t-blind-spot-yc-w26-sequoia-services-2026</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/ai-1t-blind-spot-yc-w26-sequoia-services-2026</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2026 08:36:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups grow.</p><div><hr></div><p><em><strong>This week&#8217;s sponsor is <a href="https://attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26">AI CRM Attio</a>!</strong></em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZUSt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F744d3afd-08d8-4e11-b37c-606a591bc708_1920x1080.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZUSt!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F744d3afd-08d8-4e11-b37c-606a591bc708_1920x1080.png 424w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Try Attio Pro for FREE&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26"><span>Try Attio Pro for FREE</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>Hello there!</p><p>This week I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about one question:</p><blockquote><p><em><strong>Where is the next AI startup opportunity pocket moving?</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>3 things landed in my inbox that, once your layer them on top of each-other, tell a pretty compelling answer to that question (or at least a thesis). Today&#8217;s tl;dr:</p><ol><li><p>&#129302; Where AI works today.</p></li><li><p>&#128999; Where 198 YC founders placed bets.</p></li><li><p>&#128200; The $1T+ in services TAM almost nobody is touching (yet).</p></li></ol><p><em><strong>&#128208; Quick note on methodology:</strong> AI coverage data comes from Anthropic&#8217;s Economic Index (one model&#8217;s usage, not all AI). Employment data from BLS (2024). YC sector mapping is my own analysis. Services TAM from Sequoia. Treat all numbers as directional.</em></p><div><hr></div><h2>1. We&#8217;re barely scratching the surface.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p> AI is shockingly good at some tasks and pretty bad at others, but the boundary is unpredictable and moving fast.</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eQJp!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57cb1abb-85c3-4d92-aa3b-25807136e805_1080x1350.png" width="1080" height="1350" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>The details</h3><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ivanlandabaso_anthropic-economic-index-report-ugcPost-7435651823929061376-Emqa/">Anthropic dropped a new measure called &#8220;observed exposure&#8221;</a> that combines what AI could theoretically do with what it&#8217;s actually doing today in the real world. </p><p>The numbers that jumped out:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Computer &amp; math occupations:</strong> AI could theoretically cover 94% of tasks. But the actual coverage today is 33% (although moving fast).</p></li><li><p><strong>Computer programmers</strong> are the single most exposed occupation at 75% coverage, followed by customer service reps (70%) and data entry keyers (67%).</p></li><li><p><strong>Office &amp; admin</strong> is 90% theoretically feasible but only 14% observed. Business &amp; finance is 87% possible, 18% real.</p></li><li><p>Everything below that, education, healthcare, social services, construction, is in single digits.</p></li></ul><p>This is what <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Alvaro&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:37302329,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/da74ac5e-8e92-4f59-af03-20017cb3ee22_582x582.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;f930884a-eae5-4818-b34e-004de902a3dc&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> (CEO of <a href="https://www.luzia.com/en">Luzia</a>, 65M users) called the jagged frontier, where AI is shockingly good at some tasks and pretty bad at others, but the boundary is unpredictable and moving fast:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://higes.substack.com/p/the-gap-of-imagination">Source</a></figcaption></figure></div><h3>So what</h3><p>The playbook that worked for code is likely coming to every profession where the work is more &#8220;intelligence&#8221; (rules, patterns, process) than &#8220;judgement&#8221; (taste, experience, context), more on that in a moment.</p><p>The bottom line for me here is that even though we have yet to find any measurable increase in unemployment for exposed workers since 2022, young workers are starting to feel the pain. Hiring for 22-25 year olds has slowed 14% in exposed occupations, which means that entry points to the labour market are narrowing, and we should be thinking more deeply about:</p><ol><li><p>How do we get ahead of this trend, which is likely to accelerate.</p></li><li><p>Education reform (would love to see more startups working on this problem).</p></li></ol><div><hr></div><h2>2. Where 198 YC founders are placing bets</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>82% of the batch is selling the tool. 18% is selling the work.</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png" width="1080" height="1350" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1350,&quot;width&quot;:1080,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:87627,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.startupriders.com/i/188741763?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8j-t!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdfd07ec8-00c9-4888-ad9f-c376287730ba_1080x1350.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>The details</h3><p>This YC&#8217;s W26 batch is the largest yet with 198 companies. Here&#8217;s how they break down:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Engineering, dev tools &amp; infra: 41 companies (21%).</strong> The most crowded single category. This is where AI adoption is already highest (per Anthropic&#8217;s data), and where the most founders are piling in.</p></li><li><p><strong>B2B horizontal / uncategorized: 49 (25%).</strong> A grab bag, but many of these are AI wrappers, workflow tools, and agent scaffolding.</p></li><li><p><strong>Finance &amp; fintech: 23 (12%).</strong> Accounting, payments, lending, insurance.</p></li><li><p><strong>Healthcare: 16 (8%).</strong> Drug discovery, healthcare IT, and a handful doing actual patient-facing work.</p></li><li><p><strong>Legal: 7 (3.5%).</strong> Small but punching above its weight given Harvey and Legora just hit unicorn status.</p></li></ul><h3>So what</h3><p>The batch confirms what Anthropic&#8217;s data shows which is that founders are building where AI already works, which is totally rational because the near-term PMF is obvious in software, finance, and legal (crossed the adoption threshold).</p><p>But it also means 198 of the smartest founders in tech are mostly fighting over the same territory, and this is an opportunity for you. The sectors where AI&#8217;s theoretical capability is high but actual usage is low (education, healthcare operations, social services, office admin) are almost empty.</p><p>Which brings us to the gap.</p><div><hr></div><h2>3. The $1T blind spot.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>For every $1 spent on software, $6 is spent on services. </p></div>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🌊 The 3 charts that explain the AI race]]></title><description><![CDATA[Ramp data, $19B run rates, and the metric nobody is watching]]></description><link>https://www.startupriders.com/p/the-3-charts-that-explain-the-ai</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.startupriders.com/p/the-3-charts-that-explain-the-ai</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Landabaso]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2026 06:02:31 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2acd680f-eb7a-4737-be56-b7084ef62d72_749x455.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#128075; I&#8217;m <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanlandabaso/">Ivan</a>. I study how top 1% startups raise and grow.</p><div><hr></div><p><em><strong>This week&#8217;s sponsor is <a href="https://attio.com/?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26">AI CRM Attio</a>!</strong></em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZUSt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F744d3afd-08d8-4e11-b37c-606a591bc708_1920x1080.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZUSt!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F744d3afd-08d8-4e11-b37c-606a591bc708_1920x1080.png 424w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Try Attio Pro for FREE&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://attio.com?utm_source=startup_riders&amp;utm_medium=newsletter_sponsorship&amp;utm_campaign=startup_riders-Y26"><span>Try Attio Pro for FREE</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>Hello there!</p><p>This has been another week filled with OpenAI drama.</p><p>And following the news of a <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/02/chatgpt-uninstalls-surged-by-295-after-dod-deal/">295% uninstall spike</a> after they swooped-in to fill Anthropic&#8217;s U.S. Department of War deal, it prompted me to ask:</p><blockquote><p> <em><strong>Who is actually winning the AI race?</strong></em></p></blockquote><p><a href="https://ramp.com/velocity/ai-index-february-2026">Ramp&#8217;s latest AI Index data</a> came in handy to showcase a few insights on this following a couple viral tweets on the topic. One claimed Claude hit ~70% market share while another said OpenAI still dominates, and both cited the same data source. </p><p>Both were kind of right, but also both kind of wrong.</p><p>Today&#8217;s tl;dr:</p><ol><li><p>&#127937; Who&#8217;s winning the AI race (it depends which chart you read).</p></li><li><p>&#128218; Top 10 research reports this week.</p></li><li><p>&#127754; 43 European startups that raised &#8364;10M+ in February.</p></li></ol><p><em>&#128208; <strong>Quick note on methodology</strong>: Ramp tracks 50K+ US businesses via corporate card and bill pay. It skews US, mid-market, tech-forward. The index measures three things separately (adoption, chat spend, API spend) and most viral takes conflated them into one &#8220;market share&#8221; number. Treat all numbers as directional.</em></p><div><hr></div><h2>1. 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Google trails at 4.5%.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://x.com/arakharazian/status/2028963738942927217">Chat subscription spend</a></strong> (where seat revenue goes): Anthropic leads with &gt;50% of enterprise AI chat spend. Claude Team, Max, and Enterprise seats cost more than ChatGPT Plus.</p></li><li><p><strong><a href="https://x.com/arakharazian/status/2028963743908909065">API spend</a></strong> (what developers build on): Anthropic dominates at ~80%. In July 2025, OpenAI had ~95% of this market. Eight months later, it completely flipped!! Claude 4.5 Sonnet and Opus have eaten the developer stack. There&#8217;s a fantastic interview on <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lenny Rachitsky&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:1849774,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afba5161-65bb-4d99-8d6b-cce660917fa1_1540x1540.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;42735151-8ef7-4c3a-b6ee-78c210269d9f&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> &#8216;s podcast with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We7BZVKbCVw">Claude Code&#8217;s creator</a> well worth your time. </p></li></ul><h3>So what</h3><p>OpenAI wins breadth, Anthropic wins value and the developer API market has picked a side (and if you have been playing with Opus 4.6 you probably have experienced why). The race looks very different depending on which metric you read, which is why &#8220;who&#8217;s winning&#8221; is kind of the wrong question altogether, but still fun to explore.</p><div><hr></div><h2>2. 16% of US businesses now pay for both ChatGPT and Claude. Double from a year ago.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>The overlap is the metric nobody is watching.</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Cqv3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc659c704-3e53-4dfe-8062-c728ac3c2d05_1080x1214.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Cqv3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc659c704-3e53-4dfe-8062-c728ac3c2d05_1080x1214.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Cqv3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc659c704-3e53-4dfe-8062-c728ac3c2d05_1080x1214.png 848w, 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If businesses were replacing one with the other, you&#8217;d see it in cancellations, but you don&#8217;t (so far).</p></li><li><p>The share of businesses paying for both <strong>doubled from 8% to 16%</strong> in 12 months</p></li><li><p>Anthropic went from <strong>1 in 25 to 1 in 5 businesses</strong> in a year (4x growth) while OpenAI stayed roughly flat around 36%.</p></li><li><p>Total AI adoption hit <strong>46.8%</strong>, an all-time high. Nearly half of US businesses now pay for AI, whereas two years ago this was close to zero.</p></li></ul><h3>So what</h3><p>Businesses are actually stacking providers, where different teams with different use cases at same company use different models at different times. If you&#8217;re building, designing for a multi-model world likely makes sense since customers seem to already be doing it.</p><div><hr></div><h2>3. Anthropic's run rate: $9B (Dec) &#8594; $14B (Feb) &#8594; $19B (Mar).</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>The revenue growth story is unprecedented.</p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z8sX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cc94977-ab7b-47e5-abeb-59b888ab55a3_1821x2048.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z8sX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cc94977-ab7b-47e5-abeb-59b888ab55a3_1821x2048.png 424w, 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2026</p></li><li><p><strong>$19B</strong> in early March 2026</p></li></ul><h3>So what</h3><p>This rate of adoption is driven mostly by Claude Code and enterprise API adoption. There&#8217;s also a good question (for another time) to dig on here which is the speed at which people switch models (for the same use-case) and how enterprise sales cycles will affect their stickiness (and vice-versa).</p><div><hr></div><h2>4. 295% spike in ChatGPT uninstalls. Claude #1 on App Store for the first time.</h2><div class="pullquote"><p>In a multi-model world, <a href="https://www.startupriders.com/p/ai-systems-of-action">trust becomes a product feature.</a></p></div>
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